University of Pennsylvania to block male athletes from female sports teams and erase records set by swimmer Lia Thomas

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Jul 1 2025, 8:50 PM

CNN, July 1 2025.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/01/us/upenn-transgender-women-sports-lia-thomas

Quote:The University of Pennsylvania will block transgender athletes from female sports teams and erase the records set by swimmer Lia Thomas as part of an agreement with the federal government, the Department of Education said.

The agreement comes as part of the Trump administration’s broader restrictions on transgender people, as it steps up its efforts to ban transgender athletes from competing in women’s sports nationwide and serving in the military.

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Jul 1 2025, 8:50 PM #1

CNN, July 1 2025.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/01/us/upenn-transgender-women-sports-lia-thomas

Quote:The University of Pennsylvania will block transgender athletes from female sports teams and erase the records set by swimmer Lia Thomas as part of an agreement with the federal government, the Department of Education said.

The agreement comes as part of the Trump administration’s broader restrictions on transgender people, as it steps up its efforts to ban transgender athletes from competing in women’s sports nationwide and serving in the military.

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Jul 3 2025, 4:39 PM

It creeps me out that the basic human rights issue of keeping men out of women's sports is now forever going to be soiled by the association with conservaturds, just because men want to make sure their property doesn't get leered at by "beta p*ssy feminine men", as opposed to real virile men who deserve to.

Edited Jul 7 2025, 7:33 PM by YesYourNigel.

YesYourNigel

Jul 3 2025, 4:39 PM #2

Impress Polly

Jul 4 2025, 8:21 PM

That's the moid who a few years ago broke the ass ceiling by becoming the first man to win the women's NCAA swimming championship, right? Couldn't happen to a nicer guy!

Also, a female athlete's right to privacy, safety, and fair play is not "soiled" by the opportunistic support of the current administration of "alpha" moids. Liberals are what's tarnished here for actively providing them the opportunity. The defense of women's sex-based rights shouldn't fall to a fascist crusade against "freaks" of all kinds. It does so only for lack of liberal uptake (at least in this country).

Edited Jul 4 2025, 10:13 PM by Impress Polly.

Impress Polly

Jul 4 2025, 8:21 PM #3

OffMyTit

Jul 5 2025, 3:30 AM

(Jul 4 2025, 8:21 PM)Impress Polly That's the moid who a few years ago broke the ass ceiling by becoming the first man to win the women's NCAA swimming championship, right? Couldn't happen to a nicer guy!

Also, a female athlete's right to privacy, safety, and fair play is not "soiled" by the opportunistic support of the current administration of "alpha" moids. Liberals are what's tarnished here for actively providing them the opportunity. The defense of women's sex-based rights shouldn't fall to a fascist crusade against "freaks" of all kinds. It does so only for lack of liberal uptake (at least in this country).

Thank you! I get so sick of “progressives” angry at republicans for doing the right thing as if the option was denied to them. It’s what makes me worry that they will reinstate all this nonsense the second democrats get back in office.

OffMyTit

Jul 5 2025, 3:30 AM #4

(Jul 4 2025, 8:21 PM)Impress Polly That's the moid who a few years ago broke the ass ceiling by becoming the first man to win the women's NCAA swimming championship, right? Couldn't happen to a nicer guy!

Also, a female athlete's right to privacy, safety, and fair play is not "soiled" by the opportunistic support of the current administration of "alpha" moids. Liberals are what's tarnished here for actively providing them the opportunity. The defense of women's sex-based rights shouldn't fall to a fascist crusade against "freaks" of all kinds. It does so only for lack of liberal uptake (at least in this country).

YesYourNigel

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Jul 5 2025, 5:50 AM

Quote:The defense of women's sex-based rights shouldn't fall to a fascist crusade against "freaks" of all kinds. It does so only for lack of liberal uptake (at least in this country).

I like how you put that: "fascist crusade against freaks". It really encompasses the whole approach in just a few words.

I wonder if you're assuming that I'm coming from a place of criticising liberals for not doing enough for women while poor poor conservaturds get treated as a random force of nature that can't be judged for what is doing. No, rather I am against acting as if these policies are anything other than an extension of the conservatives' erosion of women's rights that objectively place women in a worse position than we were at before. Falling to recognise that is how you get dumb women getting convinced that conservatives care about them because trans is the litmus test of women's rights issues (because eww men in dresses, we hate how humiliating that is compared to real virile male abusers) instead of, ya know, the entirety of women's rights themselves.

This is also the same trickery that gets used to (re)sell religion to women who take issue with some of the godawful "sexualised is empowerment" parts of liberalism, because see, they want you to cover up your sinful body and they don't like porn for making us stray from our reproductive duties! It's feminism!

You can't view these policies in a vacuum because they are informed by the rest of misogynistic attitudes that WILL extend to the rest of their policies. You can't cherrypick it and pretend we're on the same side as long as you ignore the other 90% of what they're doing against women.

Quote:I get so sick of “progressives” angry at republicans for doing the right thing as if the option was denied to them

Republicans are trying to drag us back to theocratic women-as-property times and we're supposed to act as if like, two things they did that accidentally align with feminist policy solely out of desire to limit damage to their property counts as feminism? That's not "doing the right thing", because "the right thing" is women deserving rights beyond that.

Quote:It’s what makes me worry that they will reinstate all this nonsense the second democrats get back in office.

They will and then they'll point at Republican support of anti-trans policies to prove guilt by association.

Edited Jul 5 2025, 6:08 AM by YesYourNigel.

YesYourNigel

Jul 5 2025, 5:50 AM #5

Quote:The defense of women's sex-based rights shouldn't fall to a fascist crusade against "freaks" of all kinds. It does so only for lack of liberal uptake (at least in this country).

Quote:I get so sick of “progressives” angry at republicans for doing the right thing as if the option was denied to them

Quote:It’s what makes me worry that they will reinstate all this nonsense the second democrats get back in office.

They will and then they'll point at Republican support of anti-trans policies to prove guilt by association.

Impress Polly

Jul 5 2025, 10:31 PM

(Jul 5 2025, 3:30 AM)OffMyTit Thank you! I get so sick of “progressives” angry at republicans for doing the right thing as if the option was denied to them. It’s what makes me worry that they will reinstate all this nonsense the second democrats get back in office.

Of course they will! It'll be among the first things the next Democratic president does, made especially easy by the fact that the Republicans aren't codifying any of this stuff into law properly with actual legislation. Presidential decrees are easily and frequently reversed by the next president from the other party.

(Jul 5 2025, 5:50 AM)YesYourNigel I like how you put that: "fascist crusade against freaks". It really encompasses the whole approach in just a few words.

Thanks.

I try to be good at words anyway, ha ha!

Quote:I wonder if you're assuming that I'm coming from a place of criticising liberals for not doing enough for women while poor poor conservaturds get treated as a random force of nature that can't be judged for what is doing.

Not at all!

Quote:No, rather I am against acting as if these policies are anything other than an extension of the conservatives' erosion of women's rights that objectively place women in a worse position than we were at before. Falling to recognise that is how you get dumb women getting convinced that conservatives care about them because trans is the litmus test of women's rights issues (because eww men in dresses, we hate how humiliating that is compared to real virile male abusers) instead of, ya know, the entirety of women's rights themselves.

This is also the same trickery that gets used to (re)sell religion to women who take issue with some of the godawful "sexualised is empowerment" parts of liberalism, because see, they want you to cover up your sinful body and they don't like porn for making us stray from our reproductive duties! It's feminism!

You can't view these policies in a vacuum because they are informed by the rest of misogynistic attitudes that WILL extend to the rest of their policies. You can't cherrypick it and pretend we're on the same side as long as you ignore the other 90% of what they're doing against women.

No one here is "pretend[ing] we're on the same side" as Trump or thinks he's anything other than a disgusting, lifelong sexual predator and a fascist, we are lauding a singular positive development for women. That is all.

Edited Jul 6 2025, 8:44 AM by Impress Polly.

Impress Polly

Jul 5 2025, 10:31 PM #6

(Jul 5 2025, 3:30 AM)OffMyTit Thank you! I get so sick of “progressives” angry at republicans for doing the right thing as if the option was denied to them. It’s what makes me worry that they will reinstate all this nonsense the second democrats get back in office.

(Jul 5 2025, 5:50 AM)YesYourNigel I like how you put that: "fascist crusade against freaks". It really encompasses the whole approach in just a few words.

Thanks.

I try to be good at words anyway, ha ha!

Quote:I wonder if you're assuming that I'm coming from a place of criticising liberals for not doing enough for women while poor poor conservaturds get treated as a random force of nature that can't be judged for what is doing.

Not at all!

Quote:No, rather I am against acting as if these policies are anything other than an extension of the conservatives' erosion of women's rights that objectively place women in a worse position than we were at before. Falling to recognise that is how you get dumb women getting convinced that conservatives care about them because trans is the litmus test of women's rights issues (because eww men in dresses, we hate how humiliating that is compared to real virile male abusers) instead of, ya know, the entirety of women's rights themselves.

This is also the same trickery that gets used to (re)sell religion to women who take issue with some of the godawful "sexualised is empowerment" parts of liberalism, because see, they want you to cover up your sinful body and they don't like porn for making us stray from our reproductive duties! It's feminism!

You can't view these policies in a vacuum because they are informed by the rest of misogynistic attitudes that WILL extend to the rest of their policies. You can't cherrypick it and pretend we're on the same side as long as you ignore the other 90% of what they're doing against women.

YesYourNigel

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Jul 6 2025, 3:31 PM

Quote:No one here is "pretend[ing] we're on the same side" as Trump or thinks he's anything other than a disgusting, lifelong sexual predator and a fascist, we are lauding a singular positive development for women. That is all.

I know you personally are not but my whole point is that this is not a singular positive development for women, it's one decision in a string of misogynistic policies that happens to accidentally and superficially be in line with what feminists have been advocating. These policies get used to sell women the male protection racket, and soil the well for liberal women.

I don't feel like celebrating one single decision of an administration that will keep a tiny minority of fetishistic men out of women's sports when that is done as an extension of attitudes downplaying, excusing and pardoning the far far more numerous "normal" rapists and sex offenders that almost every woman I know deals with, along with destroying relevant research into female health issues and scholarships for women in underrepresented fields. Sure most girls and women won't be able to even get into sports anymore either through feminist encouragement or scholarships, will have to deal with inefficient performance and injuries as a result of sabotaged research and will have to deal with more sexual abuse in the field, which will be endorsed and excused by the current administration...but at least they won't have to deal with the rare delusional long-haired man? Hooray for women's sports? It's like if we got sharia law and people were like "WaOw they finally made women's spaces safe from TIMs, this is a great step forward for feminism! 👏"

Edited Jul 6 2025, 5:20 PM by YesYourNigel.

YesYourNigel

Jul 6 2025, 3:31 PM #7

Quote:No one here is "pretend[ing] we're on the same side" as Trump or thinks he's anything other than a disgusting, lifelong sexual predator and a fascist, we are lauding a singular positive development for women. That is all.

Impress Polly

Jul 6 2025, 6:31 PM

(Jul 6 2025, 3:31 PM)YesYourNigel I know you personally are not but my whole point is that this is not a singular positive development for women, it's one decision in a string of misogynistic policies that happens to accidentally and superficially be in line with what feminists have been advocating. These policies get used to sell women the male protection racket, and soil the well for liberal women.

I don't feel like celebrating one single decision of an administration that will keep a tiny minority of fetishistic men out of women's sports when that is done as an extension of attitudes downplaying, excusing and pardoning the far far more numerous "normal" rapists and sex offenders that almost every woman I know deals with, along with destroying relevant research into female health issues and scholarships for women in underrepresented fields. Sure most girls and women won't be able to even get into sports anymore either through feminist encouragement or scholarships, will have to deal with inefficient performance and injuries as a result of sabotaged research and will have to deal with more sexual abuse in the field, which will be endorsed and excused by the current administration...but at least they won't have to deal with the rare delusional long-haired man? Hooray for women's sports? It's like if we got sharia law and people were like "WaOw they finally made women's spaces safe from TIMs, this is a great step forward for feminism! 👏"

So like the motives behind this particular development are more important than the real-world results in your eyes? My take on it all is extremely simple: even a broken clock is still right twice a day. Ours as revolutionaries is to stand on the principle, not to obsess over partisan politics and thereby find ourselves confined to the whole liberalism vs. conservativism framework of discussion. I'm not going to cry over Lia Thomas's lost records just because Trump is among those who felt he should lose them.

Edited Jul 6 2025, 6:38 PM by Impress Polly.

Impress Polly

Jul 6 2025, 6:31 PM #8

(Jul 6 2025, 3:31 PM)YesYourNigel I know you personally are not but my whole point is that this is not a singular positive development for women, it's one decision in a string of misogynistic policies that happens to accidentally and superficially be in line with what feminists have been advocating. These policies get used to sell women the male protection racket, and soil the well for liberal women.

I don't feel like celebrating one single decision of an administration that will keep a tiny minority of fetishistic men out of women's sports when that is done as an extension of attitudes downplaying, excusing and pardoning the far far more numerous "normal" rapists and sex offenders that almost every woman I know deals with, along with destroying relevant research into female health issues and scholarships for women in underrepresented fields. Sure most girls and women won't be able to even get into sports anymore either through feminist encouragement or scholarships, will have to deal with inefficient performance and injuries as a result of sabotaged research and will have to deal with more sexual abuse in the field, which will be endorsed and excused by the current administration...but at least they won't have to deal with the rare delusional long-haired man? Hooray for women's sports? It's like if we got sharia law and people were like "WaOw they finally made women's spaces safe from TIMs, this is a great step forward for feminism! 👏"

YesYourNigel

234

Jul 6 2025, 9:45 PM

Quote:So like the motives behind this particular development are more important than the real-world results in your eyes?

The actual real-world result is that women's rights, among which are women's sports, are getting eroded specifically as a result of these motives and policies that are currently in power. This isn't some random fluke that happens to coincidentally align with feminism on one issue and we can all just move on and go our separate ways afterwards, it's literally a part of a larger ongoing destruction of women's rights.

You can't ignore partisan politics and any larger implications of political decisions because they are directly used to dupe women. A significant portion of conservative women leaned so as a result of trans issues. Trying to pin that on liberals is simplistic - if we lived in a normal society, no woman in her right mind would ever support alpha moid rapists as an alternative to milquetoast misogynists. By all accounts letting the majority of regular men get away with even more rape and violence over women is worse than letting a small minority of delusional ones in makeup do so, and the amount of misogyny and danger that liberals put women in is still only a fraction of what conservatives did. But the male protection racket reaps great success by portraying men as saviours against "freaks" that gullible women can then run to for protection. This is a popular, key tactic of conservative movements and you can directly observe its effectiveness in the current political climate. It's not feminist to ignore this real world impact.

Edited Jul 6 2025, 9:49 PM by YesYourNigel.

YesYourNigel

Jul 6 2025, 9:45 PM #9

Quote:So like the motives behind this particular development are more important than the real-world results in your eyes?

Impress Polly

Jul 7 2025, 3:53 AM

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(Jul 6 2025, 9:45 PM)YesYourNigel
Quote:So like the motives behind this particular development are more important than the real-world results in your eyes?

The actual real-world result is that women's rights, among which are women's sports, are getting eroded specifically as a result of these motives and policies that are currently in power. This isn't some random fluke that happens to coincidentally align with feminism on one issue and we can all just move on and go our separate ways afterwards, it's literally a part of a larger ongoing destruction of women's rights.

You can't ignore partisan politics and any larger implications of political decisions because they are directly used to dupe women. A significant portion of conservative women leaned so as a result of trans issues. Trying to pin that on liberals is simplistic - if we lived in a normal society, no woman in her right mind would ever support alpha moid rapists as an alternative to milquetoast misogynists. By all accounts letting the majority of regular men get away with even more rape and violence over women is worse than letting a small minority of delusional ones in makeup do so, and the amount of misogyny and danger that liberals put women in is still only a fraction of what conservatives did. But the male protection racket reaps great success by portraying men as saviours against "freaks" that gullible women can then run to for protection. This is a popular, key tactic of conservative movements and you can directly observe its effectiveness in the current political climate. It's not feminist to ignore this real world impact.

I just saw the OP, was fine with it and briefly said so on a fringe message board on the internet, good goddess! Sorry that I'm apparently complicit in DOGE just because I'm not a thinly-veiled trans activist and soy boy apologist. :annoyed:

If you're sensing a bit of exhaustion with this debate on my part, it's because I'm tiring of it. I feel that you are disingenuously trying to pin the entire Trump agenda on me for, heaven forbid, supporting women's sex-based rights on a GC feminist message board and find that ridiculous. If you're just going to keep doing that, you'll have to do so on your own because this is the end of this particular debate for me.

Edited Jul 7 2025, 4:02 AM by Impress Polly.

Impress Polly

Jul 7 2025, 3:53 AM #10

(Jul 6 2025, 9:45 PM)YesYourNigel
Quote:So like the motives behind this particular development are more important than the real-world results in your eyes?

The actual real-world result is that women's rights, among which are women's sports, are getting eroded specifically as a result of these motives and policies that are currently in power. This isn't some random fluke that happens to coincidentally align with feminism on one issue and we can all just move on and go our separate ways afterwards, it's literally a part of a larger ongoing destruction of women's rights.

You can't ignore partisan politics and any larger implications of political decisions because they are directly used to dupe women. A significant portion of conservative women leaned so as a result of trans issues. Trying to pin that on liberals is simplistic - if we lived in a normal society, no woman in her right mind would ever support alpha moid rapists as an alternative to milquetoast misogynists. By all accounts letting the majority of regular men get away with even more rape and violence over women is worse than letting a small minority of delusional ones in makeup do so, and the amount of misogyny and danger that liberals put women in is still only a fraction of what conservatives did. But the male protection racket reaps great success by portraying men as saviours against "freaks" that gullible women can then run to for protection. This is a popular, key tactic of conservative movements and you can directly observe its effectiveness in the current political climate. It's not feminist to ignore this real world impact.

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