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Elsacat

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Jun 12 2025, 2:15 PM

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(Jun 12 2025, 11:36 AM)nassim Agents provocateurs have always been a thing at protests and yes they are then used to justify police violence, but the claims from Trump, echoed by TERFs, are different. That the protests themselves are not organic but paid for.

"Every accusation is a confession."

I thought the same thing when Elon Musk said Trump's in the Epstein files. Point at Trump first, and maybe then try to claim "fake news manufactured for revenge" if he himself is in the Epstein files and Trump (or someone associated with him) points that out.

Elsacat

Jun 12 2025, 2:15 PM #71

(Jun 12 2025, 11:36 AM)nassim Agents provocateurs have always been a thing at protests and yes they are then used to justify police violence, but the claims from Trump, echoed by TERFs, are different. That the protests themselves are not organic but paid for.

jelliknight

Jun 13 2025, 3:20 AM

#72

(Jun 12 2025, 10:50 AM)nassim I've seen some TERFs defend what's going on and/or vilify the protesters and paint them as paid agents. I knew some of these women leaned a bit law and order but I'm still pretty shocked tbh. It's like I'm seeing the TERFs' descent into fascism as well.

I think its less "terfs" and more "americans". We had a similar problem on Ovarit of americans who were waking up to gender criticism but otherwise still very much drowned in propaganda (e.g. pro-israel)

Its wild to see the takes some Americans have about their own people, when 100% of people outside america are on the side of the protesters. Im blaming the media. Frok the outside its easy to see its the cops that keep shooting forgein journalists, its never the protesters causing injuries.

jelliknight

Jun 13 2025, 3:20 AM #72

(Jun 12 2025, 10:50 AM)nassim I've seen some TERFs defend what's going on and/or vilify the protesters and paint them as paid agents. I knew some of these women leaned a bit law and order but I'm still pretty shocked tbh. It's like I'm seeing the TERFs' descent into fascism as well.

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Jun 13 2025, 1:26 PM

#73

June 12 2025: Kristi Noem, head of the Department of Homeland Security, says they are going to "liberate" Los Angeles from "the socialists" and the city's democratically elected leaders.

throwaway-plzbnice Kristi Noem, head of the Department of Homeland Security, seconds before Padilla was handcuffed:

"We are not going away. We are staying here to liberate the city from the socialists and the burdensome leadership that this governor and that this mayor have placed on this country and what they have tried to insert into the city."

https://bsky.app/profile/justinbaragona.bsky.social/post/3lrgj6ff52s26 (link to video, scene continues in comments)

From https://www.reddit.com/r/andor/comments/1l9w87k/an_image_of_a_sitting_us_senator_being_handcuffed/mxgpck5/

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-sen-padilla-forcibly-removed-after-interrupting-homeland-security-news-conference-in-la

Edited Jun 13 2025, 1:26 PM by Clover.

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Jun 13 2025, 1:26 PM #73

June 12 2025: Kristi Noem, head of the Department of Homeland Security, says they are going to "liberate" Los Angeles from "the socialists" and the city's democratically elected leaders.

throwaway-plzbnice Kristi Noem, head of the Department of Homeland Security, seconds before Padilla was handcuffed:

"We are not going away. We are staying here to liberate the city from the socialists and the burdensome leadership that this governor and that this mayor have placed on this country and what they have tried to insert into the city."

https://bsky.app/profile/justinbaragona.bsky.social/post/3lrgj6ff52s26 (link to video, scene continues in comments)

nassim

Jun 13 2025, 2:59 PM

#74

(Jun 13 2025, 3:20 AM)jelliknight
(Jun 12 2025, 10:50 AM)nassim I've seen some TERFs defend what's going on and/or vilify the protesters and paint them as paid agents. I knew some of these women leaned a bit law and order but I'm still pretty shocked tbh. It's like I'm seeing the TERFs' descent into fascism as well.

I think its less "terfs" and more "americans". We had a similar problem on Ovarit of americans who were waking up to gender criticism but otherwise still very much drowned in propaganda (e.g. pro-israel)

Its wild to see the takes some Americans have about their own people, when 100% of people outside america are on the side of the protesters. Im blaming the media. Frok the outside its easy to see its the cops that keep shooting forgein journalists, its never the protesters causing injuries.

I somewhat agree. And totally agree with Ovarit being drowned in hasbara and other racist bs, but it wasn't only Americans. There was one account for example that posted all the time and was extreme right-wing and the woman was a Brit. On the issue of the protests, it's Americans plus at least one Canadian (Meghan Murphy). The right wing bile re Palestine etc is also across the pond (but there is a north/south divide I think, feminists in the Global South tending to stand with the colonized). But I certainly agree with your general point that Americans are seeped in propaganda.

Edited Jun 13 2025, 3:00 PM by nassim.

nassim

Jun 13 2025, 2:59 PM #74

(Jun 13 2025, 3:20 AM)jelliknight
(Jun 12 2025, 10:50 AM)nassim I've seen some TERFs defend what's going on and/or vilify the protesters and paint them as paid agents. I knew some of these women leaned a bit law and order but I'm still pretty shocked tbh. It's like I'm seeing the TERFs' descent into fascism as well.

I think its less "terfs" and more "americans". We had a similar problem on Ovarit of americans who were waking up to gender criticism but otherwise still very much drowned in propaganda (e.g. pro-israel)

Its wild to see the takes some Americans have about their own people, when 100% of people outside america are on the side of the protesters. Im blaming the media. Frok the outside its easy to see its the cops that keep shooting forgein journalists, its never the protesters causing injuries.

I somewhat agree. And totally agree with Ovarit being drowned in hasbara and other racist bs, but it wasn't only Americans. There was one account for example that posted all the time and was extreme right-wing and the woman was a Brit. On the issue of the protests, it's Americans plus at least one Canadian (Meghan Murphy). The right wing bile re Palestine etc is also across the pond (but there is a north/south divide I think, feminists in the Global South tending to stand with the colonized). But I certainly agree with your general point that Americans are seeped in propaganda.

Elsacat

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Jun 14 2025, 8:58 AM

#75

https://newrepublic.com/article/196817/trump-deportations-house-republicans-memo

Quote:The key point here is that to boost those numbers, Trump and Miller have to go after noncriminal migrants. There aren’t enough criminals around to pad the numbers, and targeting noncriminals is less resource-intensive. In other words, Miller is deliberately choosing to focus more resources on noncriminals—and thus away from dangerous criminals. Law enforcement insiders have leaked word of their anger over exactly this.

They know they're rounding up people who are no threat and they don't care. They know they're taking away labor that keeps a lot of American businesses going, and they don't care (and neither did the businesses until it affected them). I wouldn't be surprised if there has been no noticeable dent in gang activity, because the government does not appear to be targeting specifically criminals and gang members. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if leaders of major gangs have agreements with members of the current administration about who does or doesn't get rounded up and deported, maybe in return for cutting people in on some profits from said gang activity.

Elsacat

Jun 14 2025, 8:58 AM #75

https://newrepublic.com/article/196817/trump-deportations-house-republicans-memo

Quote:The key point here is that to boost those numbers, Trump and Miller have to go after noncriminal migrants. There aren’t enough criminals around to pad the numbers, and targeting noncriminals is less resource-intensive. In other words, Miller is deliberately choosing to focus more resources on noncriminals—and thus away from dangerous criminals. Law enforcement insiders have leaked word of their anger over exactly this.

eyeswideopen

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Jun 16 2025, 7:04 AM

#76

Just wanted to post this story because Nezz is so brave for doing this

https://www.sfgate.com/giants/article/dodgers-tried-to-stop-spanish-us-anthem-sf-giants-20378533.php

Nezz went ahead and sang the anthem in Spanish anyways:

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTjtG5cRS/

Her storytime:

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTjtGaTxV/

eyeswideopen

Jun 16 2025, 7:04 AM #76

Elsacat

431

Jun 16 2025, 6:08 PM

#77

I'd never heard of Nezza before but I like her gutsiness.

Elsacat

Jun 16 2025, 6:08 PM #77

I'd never heard of Nezza before but I like her gutsiness.

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Jun 19 2025, 12:05 AM

#78

June 18 2025, US citizens are being abducted by ICE

Mother of U.S. citizen taken by ICE in Pico Rivera speaks out

https://www.calonews.com/communities/los-angeles/mother-of-u-s-citizen-taken-by-ice-in-pico-rivera-still-searching-for-son/article_8a1cf328-1533-44fa-8aea-79469c80b3fa.html

Quote:After more than 24 hours, the mother of a U.S. citizen taken into custody has located her son. During a chaotic immigration enforcement interaction in a retail parking lot on Tuesday, he was detained and his family confirmed he is currently being held at the federal building in DTLA.

Adrian Andrew Martinez, 20, was tackled and forcibly detained by several U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents in a parking lot near the 8600 block of Washington Boulevard. According to his mother, Myra Martinez, Adrian Martinez had clocked in for his shift at Walmart around 5 a.m. and went on a break at approximately 8 a.m. when ICE agents were reportedly seen in the vicinity.

According to eyewitnesses, Martinez may have attempted to intervene when agents began questioning his co-worker in the parking lot. There are several widely circulated videos being shared online of the interactions between Adrian Martinez and armed masked men, who were later identified as ICE agents.

The footage, which quickly went viral on social media platforms, shows agents in tactical gear restraining Martinez as they wrestle him to the ground. A voice off camera can be heard saying, “these are legal citizens!”

Martinez, who was born in Los Angeles and holds U.S. citizenship, has not been seen or heard from since the incident.

Clover

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Jun 19 2025, 12:05 AM #78

Quote:After more than 24 hours, the mother of a U.S. citizen taken into custody has located her son. During a chaotic immigration enforcement interaction in a retail parking lot on Tuesday, he was detained and his family confirmed he is currently being held at the federal building in DTLA.

Adrian Andrew Martinez, 20, was tackled and forcibly detained by several U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents in a parking lot near the 8600 block of Washington Boulevard. According to his mother, Myra Martinez, Adrian Martinez had clocked in for his shift at Walmart around 5 a.m. and went on a break at approximately 8 a.m. when ICE agents were reportedly seen in the vicinity.

According to eyewitnesses, Martinez may have attempted to intervene when agents began questioning his co-worker in the parking lot. There are several widely circulated videos being shared online of the interactions between Adrian Martinez and armed masked men, who were later identified as ICE agents.

The footage, which quickly went viral on social media platforms, shows agents in tactical gear restraining Martinez as they wrestle him to the ground. A voice off camera can be heard saying, “these are legal citizens!”

Martinez, who was born in Los Angeles and holds U.S. citizenship, has not been seen or heard from since the incident.

Elsacat

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Jun 19 2025, 9:27 AM

#79

Nobody should consider themselves safe just because they're a citizen, especially if they're not white, even more especially if they want to intervene in an ICE kidnapping.

Elsacat

Jun 19 2025, 9:27 AM #79

Nobody should consider themselves safe just because they're a citizen, especially if they're not white, even more especially if they want to intervene in an ICE kidnapping.

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Jun 24 2025, 12:00 PM

#80

June 24 2025, Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/world-news/man-refused-entry-us-border-31925059

I saw another news article about how tourists were advised to remove any memes that made fun of America on their phone if they were planning on traveling to the States, likely related to this incident. Totally normal healthy democratic country behavior.

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Jun 24 2025, 12:00 PM #80

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