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News Woman says security guard at Liberty Hotel in Boston confronted her in bathroom, asked to prove gender

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Wrongtoy
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May 11 2025, 11:07 PM
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(May 11 2025, 7:38 PM)komorebi
(May 10 2025, 10:55 PM)Wrongtoy Anyone hanging around will be subject to snap judgments about why. And in this case, there was an allegation of a man with a woman in the same stall, which proved untrue, but again, why were they hanging around?

(May 11 2025, 2:38 PM)Wrongtoy This is just what I personally do.

I have zero opinion on your choice to minimize your time spent in public restrooms. My point is simply that there are plenty of reasons why women might need to spend extra time in a restroom. Ever heard of IBS? Or had a period mishap? Just because you judge people for needing to be in a public restroom doesn't mean that everyone does, or should.

I think every female has had diarrhea or a period mishap. The latter too is why I personally don’t stick around. The one time I had to wash out my cup, I was glad there was no one there to witness it. Which to me is yet another reason why I don’t stick around. And the last time I had a diarrhea mishap I was post surgery. It was one of the most embarrassing things that happened in my whole life and sorry but not if it interrupted someone’s  makeup or socialization routine.

The womens is not a clubhouse that we have pillow fights and bond in. It is an environment that you should leave after attending to the immediate biological matters at hand no matter how you present.
Edited May 11 2025, 11:39 PM by Wrongtoy.
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May 11 2025, 11:07 PM #11

(May 11 2025, 7:38 PM)komorebi
(May 10 2025, 10:55 PM)Wrongtoy Anyone hanging around will be subject to snap judgments about why. And in this case, there was an allegation of a man with a woman in the same stall, which proved untrue, but again, why were they hanging around?

(May 11 2025, 2:38 PM)Wrongtoy This is just what I personally do.

I have zero opinion on your choice to minimize your time spent in public restrooms. My point is simply that there are plenty of reasons why women might need to spend extra time in a restroom. Ever heard of IBS? Or had a period mishap? Just because you judge people for needing to be in a public restroom doesn't mean that everyone does, or should.

I think every female has had diarrhea or a period mishap. The latter too is why I personally don’t stick around. The one time I had to wash out my cup, I was glad there was no one there to witness it. Which to me is yet another reason why I don’t stick around. And the last time I had a diarrhea mishap I was post surgery. It was one of the most embarrassing things that happened in my whole life and sorry but not if it interrupted someone’s  makeup or socialization routine.

The womens is not a clubhouse that we have pillow fights and bond in. It is an environment that you should leave after attending to the immediate biological matters at hand no matter how you present.

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May 12 2025, 5:57 AM
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(May 11 2025, 11:07 PM)Wrongtoy
(May 11 2025, 7:38 PM)komorebi
(May 10 2025, 10:55 PM)Wrongtoy Anyone hanging around will be subject to snap judgments about why. And in this case, there was an allegation of a man with a woman in the same stall, which proved untrue, but again, why were they hanging around?

(May 11 2025, 2:38 PM)Wrongtoy This is just what I personally do.

I have zero opinion on your choice to minimize your time spent in public restrooms. My point is simply that there are plenty of reasons why women might need to spend extra time in a restroom. Ever heard of IBS? Or had a period mishap? Just because you judge people for needing to be in a public restroom doesn't mean that everyone does, or should.

I think every female has had diarrhea or a period mishap. The latter too is why I personally don’t stick around. The one time I had to wash out my cup, I was glad there was no one there to witness it. Which to me is yet another reason why I don’t stick around. And the last time I had a diarrhea mishap I was post surgery. It was one of the most embarrassing things that happened in my whole life and sorry but not if it interrupted someone’s  makeup or socialization routine.

The womens is not a clubhouse that we have pillow fights and bond in. It is an environment that you should leave after attending to the immediate biological matters at hand no matter how you present.

The women's bathroom is whatever women want it to be and whether they are using the bathroom in the way you approve of has no bearing on whether they are allowed to be there on the basis of their sex.

You're essentially saying it's fine to be weary of GNC women and see them as men if they spend too long in the bathroom or act suspicious. But women who act suspicious are not doing so because they're masturbating to women's pissing noises or trying to set up secret cameras or follow another woman in to sexually assault her.
Edited May 12 2025, 6:40 AM by YesYourNigel.
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May 12 2025, 5:57 AM #12

(May 11 2025, 11:07 PM)Wrongtoy
(May 11 2025, 7:38 PM)komorebi
(May 10 2025, 10:55 PM)Wrongtoy Anyone hanging around will be subject to snap judgments about why. And in this case, there was an allegation of a man with a woman in the same stall, which proved untrue, but again, why were they hanging around?

(May 11 2025, 2:38 PM)Wrongtoy This is just what I personally do.

I have zero opinion on your choice to minimize your time spent in public restrooms. My point is simply that there are plenty of reasons why women might need to spend extra time in a restroom. Ever heard of IBS? Or had a period mishap? Just because you judge people for needing to be in a public restroom doesn't mean that everyone does, or should.

I think every female has had diarrhea or a period mishap. The latter too is why I personally don’t stick around. The one time I had to wash out my cup, I was glad there was no one there to witness it. Which to me is yet another reason why I don’t stick around. And the last time I had a diarrhea mishap I was post surgery. It was one of the most embarrassing things that happened in my whole life and sorry but not if it interrupted someone’s  makeup or socialization routine.

The womens is not a clubhouse that we have pillow fights and bond in. It is an environment that you should leave after attending to the immediate biological matters at hand no matter how you present.

The women's bathroom is whatever women want it to be and whether they are using the bathroom in the way you approve of has no bearing on whether they are allowed to be there on the basis of their sex.

You're essentially saying it's fine to be weary of GNC women and see them as men if they spend too long in the bathroom or act suspicious. But women who act suspicious are not doing so because they're masturbating to women's pissing noises or trying to set up secret cameras or follow another woman in to sexually assault her.

I refuse to debate two obvious facts: 1. the patriarchy exists 2. and that's a bad thing

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May 12 2025, 10:01 AM
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(May 12 2025, 5:57 AM)YesYourNigel
(May 11 2025, 11:07 PM)Wrongtoy
(May 11 2025, 7:38 PM)komorebi
(May 10 2025, 10:55 PM)Wrongtoy Anyone hanging around will be subject to snap judgments about why. And in this case, there was an allegation of a man with a woman in the same stall, which proved untrue, but again, why were they hanging around?

(May 11 2025, 2:38 PM)Wrongtoy This is just what I personally do.

I have zero opinion on your choice to minimize your time spent in public restrooms. My point is simply that there are plenty of reasons why women might need to spend extra time in a restroom. Ever heard of IBS? Or had a period mishap? Just because you judge people for needing to be in a public restroom doesn't mean that everyone does, or should.

I think every female has had diarrhea or a period mishap. The latter too is why I personally don’t stick around. The one time I had to wash out my cup, I was glad there was no one there to witness it. Which to me is yet another reason why I don’t stick around. And the last time I had a diarrhea mishap I was post surgery. It was one of the most embarrassing things that happened in my whole life and sorry but not if it interrupted someone’s  makeup or socialization routine.

The womens is not a clubhouse that we have pillow fights and bond in. It is an environment that you should leave after attending to the immediate biological matters at hand no matter how you present.

The women's bathroom is whatever women want it to be and whether they are using the bathroom in the way you approve of has no bearing on whether they are allowed to be there on the basis of their sex.

You're essentially saying it's fine to be weary of GNC women and see them as men if they spend too long in the bathroom or act suspicious. But women who act suspicious are not doing so because they're masturbating to women's pissing noises or trying to set up secret cameras or follow another woman in to sexually assault her.


I am not saying anything of the sort. In fact, I’m saying absolutely nothing here that doesn’t apply to me as well or any woman.

It is bad enough to be the center of attention because of a medical issue. In fact, had it been a chronic issue, I would have put myself in depends. Which brings up how these are disposed of, as in having to carry out a freshly full adult diaper to the bin under the paper towels and cramming that whole oozing mess in there.. Which is yet another disincentive toward insisting on the full makeup routine or socializing at the next sink over.

i don’t get why anyone would want to maximize their immediate exposure to these kind of gross but necessary public displays as a spectator. That’s already very strange.
Edited May 12 2025, 10:04 AM by Wrongtoy.
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May 12 2025, 10:01 AM #13

(May 12 2025, 5:57 AM)YesYourNigel
(May 11 2025, 11:07 PM)Wrongtoy
(May 11 2025, 7:38 PM)komorebi
(May 10 2025, 10:55 PM)Wrongtoy Anyone hanging around will be subject to snap judgments about why. And in this case, there was an allegation of a man with a woman in the same stall, which proved untrue, but again, why were they hanging around?

(May 11 2025, 2:38 PM)Wrongtoy This is just what I personally do.

I have zero opinion on your choice to minimize your time spent in public restrooms. My point is simply that there are plenty of reasons why women might need to spend extra time in a restroom. Ever heard of IBS? Or had a period mishap? Just because you judge people for needing to be in a public restroom doesn't mean that everyone does, or should.

I think every female has had diarrhea or a period mishap. The latter too is why I personally don’t stick around. The one time I had to wash out my cup, I was glad there was no one there to witness it. Which to me is yet another reason why I don’t stick around. And the last time I had a diarrhea mishap I was post surgery. It was one of the most embarrassing things that happened in my whole life and sorry but not if it interrupted someone’s  makeup or socialization routine.

The womens is not a clubhouse that we have pillow fights and bond in. It is an environment that you should leave after attending to the immediate biological matters at hand no matter how you present.

The women's bathroom is whatever women want it to be and whether they are using the bathroom in the way you approve of has no bearing on whether they are allowed to be there on the basis of their sex.

You're essentially saying it's fine to be weary of GNC women and see them as men if they spend too long in the bathroom or act suspicious. But women who act suspicious are not doing so because they're masturbating to women's pissing noises or trying to set up secret cameras or follow another woman in to sexually assault her.


I am not saying anything of the sort. In fact, I’m saying absolutely nothing here that doesn’t apply to me as well or any woman.

It is bad enough to be the center of attention because of a medical issue. In fact, had it been a chronic issue, I would have put myself in depends. Which brings up how these are disposed of, as in having to carry out a freshly full adult diaper to the bin under the paper towels and cramming that whole oozing mess in there.. Which is yet another disincentive toward insisting on the full makeup routine or socializing at the next sink over.

i don’t get why anyone would want to maximize their immediate exposure to these kind of gross but necessary public displays as a spectator. That’s already very strange.

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May 12 2025, 3:00 PM
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(May 12 2025, 10:01 AM)Wrongtoy I am not saying anything of the sort.
Your response to women being treated like men in a women's bathroom was "They shouldn't have hung around the bathroom too long, that's sus"

Quote:i don’t get why anyone would want to maximize their immediate exposure to these kind of gross but necessary public displays as a spectator. That’s already very strange.

Again, you not understanding why someone would want to do that (which seems to stem from toilet use being an extremely uncomfortable experience for you due to an illness, which isn't the case for all of even most people) is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand: GNC women being treated with suspicion in women's bathrooms. If some women would "maximise their immediate exposure to gross but necessary public displays", that is their business and a separate issue from women's rights to use women's bathrooms.
Edited May 12 2025, 3:02 PM by YesYourNigel.
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May 12 2025, 3:00 PM #14

(May 12 2025, 10:01 AM)Wrongtoy I am not saying anything of the sort.
Your response to women being treated like men in a women's bathroom was "They shouldn't have hung around the bathroom too long, that's sus"

Quote:i don’t get why anyone would want to maximize their immediate exposure to these kind of gross but necessary public displays as a spectator. That’s already very strange.

Again, you not understanding why someone would want to do that (which seems to stem from toilet use being an extremely uncomfortable experience for you due to an illness, which isn't the case for all of even most people) is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand: GNC women being treated with suspicion in women's bathrooms. If some women would "maximise their immediate exposure to gross but necessary public displays", that is their business and a separate issue from women's rights to use women's bathrooms.

I refuse to debate two obvious facts: 1. the patriarchy exists 2. and that's a bad thing

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May 12 2025, 4:58 PM
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Ok. Again, every single woman can use the women’s. Whenever any woman lingers, it creates attention. These two were reported as a hetero couple in a stall, which likely did hasten the response, after which it was like, I don’t know what happened here but you two should just leave now. It wasn’t just the masculine looking female who got kicked, they both did.

Florida state courthouses have for two years proscribed people from using the bathrooms designated for the opposite sex. So I would bet there are quite a few tifs facing duis and simple possession who use the women’s, beard, testosterone and all. And they should. But there’s no need to prolong such encounters.
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May 12 2025, 4:58 PM #15

Ok. Again, every single woman can use the women’s. Whenever any woman lingers, it creates attention. These two were reported as a hetero couple in a stall, which likely did hasten the response, after which it was like, I don’t know what happened here but you two should just leave now. It wasn’t just the masculine looking female who got kicked, they both did.

Florida state courthouses have for two years proscribed people from using the bathrooms designated for the opposite sex. So I would bet there are quite a few tifs facing duis and simple possession who use the women’s, beard, testosterone and all. And they should. But there’s no need to prolong such encounters.

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May 17 2025, 6:20 PM
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(May 12 2025, 4:58 PM)Wrongtoy Ok. Again, every single woman can use the women’s. Whenever any woman lingers, it creates attention. These two were reported as a hetero couple in a stall, which likely did hasten the response, after which it was like, I don’t know what happened here but you two should just leave now. It wasn’t just the masculine looking female who got kicked, they both did.

Florida state courthouses have for two years proscribed people from using the bathrooms designated for the opposite sex. So I would bet there are quite a few tifs facing duis and simple possession who use the women’s, beard, testosterone and all. And they should. But there’s no need to prolong such encounters.
So your point is that they were kicked out for acting inappropriately in a bathroom, and the fact that they were mistaken for a straight couple is secondary? That's not the same as saying that anyone who takes longer in the bathroom is inviting scrutiny, which I think is projection on your part.

Laws forbidding women from using the men's bathrooms are complete nonsense because women pose 0 threat to men. The TIFs that would go to the men's are already terrified of being discovered in the men's and also have more respect for the opposite sex due to patriarchal dynamics, so they would put a lot more work into blending in compared to TIMs. I doubt many passing ones use the women's even if a ridiculous law compels them to.
Edited May 17 2025, 6:21 PM by YesYourNigel.
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May 17 2025, 6:20 PM #16

(May 12 2025, 4:58 PM)Wrongtoy Ok. Again, every single woman can use the women’s. Whenever any woman lingers, it creates attention. These two were reported as a hetero couple in a stall, which likely did hasten the response, after which it was like, I don’t know what happened here but you two should just leave now. It wasn’t just the masculine looking female who got kicked, they both did.

Florida state courthouses have for two years proscribed people from using the bathrooms designated for the opposite sex. So I would bet there are quite a few tifs facing duis and simple possession who use the women’s, beard, testosterone and all. And they should. But there’s no need to prolong such encounters.
So your point is that they were kicked out for acting inappropriately in a bathroom, and the fact that they were mistaken for a straight couple is secondary? That's not the same as saying that anyone who takes longer in the bathroom is inviting scrutiny, which I think is projection on your part.

Laws forbidding women from using the men's bathrooms are complete nonsense because women pose 0 threat to men. The TIFs that would go to the men's are already terrified of being discovered in the men's and also have more respect for the opposite sex due to patriarchal dynamics, so they would put a lot more work into blending in compared to TIMs. I doubt many passing ones use the women's even if a ridiculous law compels them to.

I refuse to debate two obvious facts: 1. the patriarchy exists 2. and that's a bad thing

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May 17 2025, 6:59 PM
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Both are true. If someone looks like a man, they likely invite more scrutiny. If they then hang out, there is even more scrutiny. In this case, once I heard the gnc female speak, it was clear she was a woman but women’s voices get lower on t. I thought Logan Rozos was an actual man when viewing her nyu speech for the first couple of times.

If we demand Tim’s leave, then we can’t say we want tifs to leave. In fact tifs might make it a transgender protest point just to come in and try to upset people. Which is yet another reason I personally minimize my social time in there.
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May 17 2025, 6:59 PM #17

Both are true. If someone looks like a man, they likely invite more scrutiny. If they then hang out, there is even more scrutiny. In this case, once I heard the gnc female speak, it was clear she was a woman but women’s voices get lower on t. I thought Logan Rozos was an actual man when viewing her nyu speech for the first couple of times.

If we demand Tim’s leave, then we can’t say we want tifs to leave. In fact tifs might make it a transgender protest point just to come in and try to upset people. Which is yet another reason I personally minimize my social time in there.

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May 18 2025, 12:43 PM
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We're gonna get people who look like men in the bathroom either way. Either we have non-passing men, or women who pass as men. I'd rather have the latter.
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May 18 2025, 12:43 PM #18

We're gonna get people who look like men in the bathroom either way. Either we have non-passing men, or women who pass as men. I'd rather have the latter.

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May 18 2025, 12:44 PM
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(May 11 2025, 12:04 PM)komorebi
(May 10 2025, 10:55 PM)Wrongtoy My personal protocol in the women’s is to minimize time spent.  I don’t like smelling strangers’ shit. This would be the last place I’d be involved in a makeup routine or conversing with people or otherwise hanging around., and that’s mostly true of others. Anyone hanging around will be subject to snap judgments about why. And in this case, there was an allegation of a man with a woman in the same stall, which proved untrue, but again, why were they hanging around?

What is this, the public restroom Gestapo? There are plenty of reasons why a woman might stick around in the restroom. Waiting for someone else, having stomach issues, doing their makeup, just needing a moment... I've had moments when something has really upset me and I've gone to the women's restroom to be alone and calm down. I can't believe you're justifying judging women over something stupid like this.

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May 18 2025, 12:44 PM #19

(May 11 2025, 12:04 PM)komorebi
(May 10 2025, 10:55 PM)Wrongtoy My personal protocol in the women’s is to minimize time spent.  I don’t like smelling strangers’ shit. This would be the last place I’d be involved in a makeup routine or conversing with people or otherwise hanging around., and that’s mostly true of others. Anyone hanging around will be subject to snap judgments about why. And in this case, there was an allegation of a man with a woman in the same stall, which proved untrue, but again, why were they hanging around?

What is this, the public restroom Gestapo? There are plenty of reasons why a woman might stick around in the restroom. Waiting for someone else, having stomach issues, doing their makeup, just needing a moment... I've had moments when something has really upset me and I've gone to the women's restroom to be alone and calm down. I can't believe you're justifying judging women over something stupid like this.

... hiding from sketchy dudes

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May 18 2025, 10:59 PM
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Again, it is any woman’s right to hang around for any reason. However, doing so will always invite attention. I am glad women cared when that happened for health reasons but ideally would have preferred to have avoided that. In optimal and most situations I don’t see the point of hanging in the women’s for socialization. I just don’t. I remember waiting for the last woman to leave so I could clean my diva cup, so I extend the same courtesy unless someone is having an emergency.
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May 18 2025, 10:59 PM #20

Again, it is any woman’s right to hang around for any reason. However, doing so will always invite attention. I am glad women cared when that happened for health reasons but ideally would have preferred to have avoided that. In optimal and most situations I don’t see the point of hanging in the women’s for socialization. I just don’t. I remember waiting for the last woman to leave so I could clean my diva cup, so I extend the same courtesy unless someone is having an emergency.

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