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Apr 13 2025, 10:11 PM
#21
https://ovarit.com/o/WomensLiberation/527234/imagine-if-male-genitals-were-treated-like-female-genitals

“Imagine if male genitals were treated like female genitals?”
Posted on Jan 12, 2024

From a post from Tumblr, multi-authored Tumblr post chain.

Quote:Imagine if male genitals were treated like female genitals? Like testicles weren’t even referred to as testicles and some men didn’t even know what they were actually called and the general area was just called “penis”.

Quote:Imagine if boys were told that their prostate doesn’t exist. Imagine if hairy genitals on men were called “bearded snakes.” And they don’t know how many different holes they have until adulthood. Imagine.

Quote:imagine if men were flocking en mass to get “testicle tightening” surgeries.  imagine if men weren’t taught that they could have orgasms.  Imagine if it were considered rude to say “penis” even in debates regarding legislature involving medical care about men’s penises.  Imagine penis was a word that was considered too “dirty” to be said on television. Imagine if penis’s were depicted only as meat-sticks that fit in vaginas with no other value.  Imagine if teenage boys heard joke after joke about how all dicks smell terrible no matter what

Quote:Imagine if people thought the more a penis was used, the smaller and more useless it became.

Imagine if people didn’t understand how penises ‘work’ and therefore their orgasms didn’t matter.

Imagine if having a penis meant you were paid less money.

Quote:Imagine if the ideal male genitalia were small and hairless like a prepubescent boy’s, and larger/hairier male genitalia was considered gross and sloppy.

Imagine if unreciprocated cunnilingus were the norm.

Imagine if boys were taught that sex was expected to hurt for them and were told to lie back and think of England, to grin and bear it.

Imagine if male reproductive conditions were under-researched and under-treated. No known cause, no known cure was the default. Reproductive pains considered normal for men, and their reproductive complaints mocked and dismissed.

Imagine that teenage boys were put on hormonal birth control, perhaps because they’re thought to help these mysterious ailments but with the side effect of making them sexually available to women all the time without risk of pregnancy.

Imagine if male hormonal cycles (high T in the morning, low T at night) were mocked and considered to make men unreliable. If men’s competence and judgment was questioned because of it (“He’s just mad because it’s that time of the day! They’re so testerical in the morning” or “Can a man really hold office if he’s just going to start crying every time the evening rolls around and his T drops?”, including worse mockery for older men who have lower T in general and might have erectile dysfunction, prostate cancer, or other older male reproductive issues).

Imagine if there was legislation on men’s right to ejaculate without the intent to reproduce because “every sperm is sacred”.

Quote:Imagine if mens worth and respectability was estimated by the number of his sexual encounters with women, Imagine if men who had sex before marriage were considered filthy and licentious, I.e) “sloppy seconds” 

Imagine if penises and scrotums were deemed “vulgar” and “obscene” in all contexts outside of smut magazines for older women. 

Imagine if men were barred from masturbation because sperm is reserved for reproduction. Imagine if mens bodies were considered women’s property for them to control and serve their interests.

Imagine if sex that didn’t involve injury to mens bodies were considered “vanilla” and “boring” imagine if women casually said things like, “beat that ballsack uuuup” or “destroy his dick” amongst their aggressive, drunk, larger, hefty female friends while men sit and chat with the boys on how to get their girlfriends to spend time with them and contribute to housework, what they hate about their bodies and joke how horrible sex is because it’s about women using men’s bodies however they please.

Imagine if hair on mens bodies were considered, “unhygienic”, “unsightly” and “un-gentlemanlike” even though it grows there naturally. Imagine if men who refused to wear makeup were considered “uppity” and “unkempt”.

Imagine if muscularity in men was considered “womanish” and “unappealing” and interests outside cosmetics, servitude and self-minimalism were viewed as “effeminating” to women and “Ovary busting”. in fact, everything you do to improve men’s quality of life and attain success in female-dominated fields is valued by how it effects women.

Imagine if boys were encouraged to show their arms, backs, chests and stomachs before they hit puberty, imagine if all the male musicians were young, unhealthily-thin, airbrushed pop singers who sing about needing girls to give their lives meaning and becoming every girls dream boy.

Imagine if male sexual abuse and exploitation were repackaged as “male empowerment” by sex advise columnists and sex positive organizations. I.e.) lick pussies and earn stacks, boii get it  👅💅🏼💵💵             

Quote:Once all these things are true for 10,000 years then we can talk about equality

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Apr 13 2025, 10:11 PM #21

https://ovarit.com/o/WomensLiberation/527234/imagine-if-male-genitals-were-treated-like-female-genitals

“Imagine if male genitals were treated like female genitals?”
Posted on Jan 12, 2024

From a post from Tumblr, multi-authored Tumblr post chain.

Quote:Imagine if male genitals were treated like female genitals? Like testicles weren’t even referred to as testicles and some men didn’t even know what they were actually called and the general area was just called “penis”.

Quote:Imagine if boys were told that their prostate doesn’t exist. Imagine if hairy genitals on men were called “bearded snakes.” And they don’t know how many different holes they have until adulthood. Imagine.

Quote:imagine if men were flocking en mass to get “testicle tightening” surgeries.  imagine if men weren’t taught that they could have orgasms.  Imagine if it were considered rude to say “penis” even in debates regarding legislature involving medical care about men’s penises.  Imagine penis was a word that was considered too “dirty” to be said on television. Imagine if penis’s were depicted only as meat-sticks that fit in vaginas with no other value.  Imagine if teenage boys heard joke after joke about how all dicks smell terrible no matter what

Quote:Imagine if people thought the more a penis was used, the smaller and more useless it became.

Imagine if people didn’t understand how penises ‘work’ and therefore their orgasms didn’t matter.

Imagine if having a penis meant you were paid less money.

Quote:Imagine if the ideal male genitalia were small and hairless like a prepubescent boy’s, and larger/hairier male genitalia was considered gross and sloppy.

Imagine if unreciprocated cunnilingus were the norm.

Imagine if boys were taught that sex was expected to hurt for them and were told to lie back and think of England, to grin and bear it.

Imagine if male reproductive conditions were under-researched and under-treated. No known cause, no known cure was the default. Reproductive pains considered normal for men, and their reproductive complaints mocked and dismissed.

Imagine that teenage boys were put on hormonal birth control, perhaps because they’re thought to help these mysterious ailments but with the side effect of making them sexually available to women all the time without risk of pregnancy.

Imagine if male hormonal cycles (high T in the morning, low T at night) were mocked and considered to make men unreliable. If men’s competence and judgment was questioned because of it (“He’s just mad because it’s that time of the day! They’re so testerical in the morning” or “Can a man really hold office if he’s just going to start crying every time the evening rolls around and his T drops?”, including worse mockery for older men who have lower T in general and might have erectile dysfunction, prostate cancer, or other older male reproductive issues).

Imagine if there was legislation on men’s right to ejaculate without the intent to reproduce because “every sperm is sacred”.

Quote:Imagine if mens worth and respectability was estimated by the number of his sexual encounters with women, Imagine if men who had sex before marriage were considered filthy and licentious, I.e) “sloppy seconds” 

Imagine if penises and scrotums were deemed “vulgar” and “obscene” in all contexts outside of smut magazines for older women. 

Imagine if men were barred from masturbation because sperm is reserved for reproduction. Imagine if mens bodies were considered women’s property for them to control and serve their interests.

Imagine if sex that didn’t involve injury to mens bodies were considered “vanilla” and “boring” imagine if women casually said things like, “beat that ballsack uuuup” or “destroy his dick” amongst their aggressive, drunk, larger, hefty female friends while men sit and chat with the boys on how to get their girlfriends to spend time with them and contribute to housework, what they hate about their bodies and joke how horrible sex is because it’s about women using men’s bodies however they please.

Imagine if hair on mens bodies were considered, “unhygienic”, “unsightly” and “un-gentlemanlike” even though it grows there naturally. Imagine if men who refused to wear makeup were considered “uppity” and “unkempt”.

Imagine if muscularity in men was considered “womanish” and “unappealing” and interests outside cosmetics, servitude and self-minimalism were viewed as “effeminating” to women and “Ovary busting”. in fact, everything you do to improve men’s quality of life and attain success in female-dominated fields is valued by how it effects women.

Imagine if boys were encouraged to show their arms, backs, chests and stomachs before they hit puberty, imagine if all the male musicians were young, unhealthily-thin, airbrushed pop singers who sing about needing girls to give their lives meaning and becoming every girls dream boy.

Imagine if male sexual abuse and exploitation were repackaged as “male empowerment” by sex advise columnists and sex positive organizations. I.e.) lick pussies and earn stacks, boii get it  👅💅🏼💵💵             

Quote:Once all these things are true for 10,000 years then we can talk about equality


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Apr 13 2025, 10:14 PM
#22
https://ovarit.com/o/Ovarit/526333/ways-to-increase-woman-centric-content-on-ovarit

Ways to increase woman-centric content on Ovarit
Posted on Jan 9, 2024

Hi everyone. I remember a post was made some time ago where a person noticed a lack of women-focused content on Ovarit. I understood what she meant, so since then I've been trying to "do my part" in increasing woman-focused content. (Ovarit content fluctuates constantly based on who's active at any given time.)

I wanted to share some methods that I use to do so, in case others might find this useful.

  1. Woman-focused news and articles. Go to Google, search "women" and click on the "News" tab. It'll provide 30 pages of aggregated news. (Note: search "women" not "woman" for better results, otherwise you'll get a lot of "woman stabbed/stabs/robbed/robs" type of news.) I usually set the timeline to be "past 24 hours" if I've been doing this daily. There is lots of women's sports news, generally. I go through the news articles and post the ones I find interesting. Be sure to read the articles before posting, this also helps make sure that there isn't a paywall when trying to access the article.

  2. Browse other pro-woman social medias and share content from there. I like to do this with Tumblr, this is easy for me because I have a Tumblr account and I follow hundreds of pro-women/radical feminist/gender critical Tumblr accounts, so my feed is pretty good at this point. I like to just screenshot interesting posts, repost memes/screenshots that have been shared there, and sometimes I copy Tumblr posts directly into an Ovarit post if it's too long for a screenshot and I think it's valuable information (be sure to provide a source back to the original and credit the original author).

  3. Share women's art. I use Tumblr for this too in general, but you can find women's art all over the internet. Share what resonates with you. :)

  4. Share other interesting content. Since women aren't a hivemind, we have other interests, lol. Ovarit has several communities that are focused on special interests like STEM, books, arts crafts and yarns, television and movies, games, gardening, and vegan food. Check out all the Ovarit circles here: https://ovarit.com/subs

  5. /o/Women is the catch-all. If you want to share something and you're feeling like none of the current circles fit the content you want to share, remember that /o/Women is the fallback to post in. (As a side note, I wish we had like an /o/Misc for this, I think it'd be a lot easier for people to know intuitively where they can post something that they don't know where it fits.)

So if you're ever feeling like you're not vibing with what's on Ovarit, be the change you wish to see! 💜 After all, Ovarit is powered by the people.

I hope this is helpful!

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Apr 13 2025, 10:14 PM #22

https://ovarit.com/o/Ovarit/526333/ways-to-increase-woman-centric-content-on-ovarit

Ways to increase woman-centric content on Ovarit
Posted on Jan 9, 2024

Hi everyone. I remember a post was made some time ago where a person noticed a lack of women-focused content on Ovarit. I understood what she meant, so since then I've been trying to "do my part" in increasing woman-focused content. (Ovarit content fluctuates constantly based on who's active at any given time.)

I wanted to share some methods that I use to do so, in case others might find this useful.

  1. Woman-focused news and articles. Go to Google, search "women" and click on the "News" tab. It'll provide 30 pages of aggregated news. (Note: search "women" not "woman" for better results, otherwise you'll get a lot of "woman stabbed/stabs/robbed/robs" type of news.) I usually set the timeline to be "past 24 hours" if I've been doing this daily. There is lots of women's sports news, generally. I go through the news articles and post the ones I find interesting. Be sure to read the articles before posting, this also helps make sure that there isn't a paywall when trying to access the article.

  2. Browse other pro-woman social medias and share content from there. I like to do this with Tumblr, this is easy for me because I have a Tumblr account and I follow hundreds of pro-women/radical feminist/gender critical Tumblr accounts, so my feed is pretty good at this point. I like to just screenshot interesting posts, repost memes/screenshots that have been shared there, and sometimes I copy Tumblr posts directly into an Ovarit post if it's too long for a screenshot and I think it's valuable information (be sure to provide a source back to the original and credit the original author).

  3. Share women's art. I use Tumblr for this too in general, but you can find women's art all over the internet. Share what resonates with you. :)

  4. Share other interesting content. Since women aren't a hivemind, we have other interests, lol. Ovarit has several communities that are focused on special interests like STEM, books, arts crafts and yarns, television and movies, games, gardening, and vegan food. Check out all the Ovarit circles here: https://ovarit.com/subs

  5. /o/Women is the catch-all. If you want to share something and you're feeling like none of the current circles fit the content you want to share, remember that /o/Women is the fallback to post in. (As a side note, I wish we had like an /o/Misc for this, I think it'd be a lot easier for people to know intuitively where they can post something that they don't know where it fits.)

So if you're ever feeling like you're not vibing with what's on Ovarit, be the change you wish to see! 💜 After all, Ovarit is powered by the people.

I hope this is helpful!


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Apr 13 2025, 10:15 PM
#23
https://ovarit.com/o/WomensLiberation/526207/how-would-dworkin-s-beauty-hurts-diagram-be-updated-for-modern-times

How would Dworkin's "Beauty Hurts" diagram be updated for modern times?
Posted on Jan 8, 2024

Here is an older post with Dworkin's diagram from her book Woman Hating: https://ovarit.com/o/Radfemmery/85043/beauty-hurts

How do you feel this diagram would be different in modern times? Has anything changed for the better? Has anything gotten worse?



[Plus my own thoughts in a comment:]

Here are some of my thoughts on possible changes/additions. I included some beauty trends that are not just from Western culture.

BODY HAIR: waxed, sugared, epilated, plucked

NOSE: pierced, bejeweled, de-hooked, de-romanized

SKIN: bleached (Asia)

EYES: double eyelidded (Asia)

NECK: necklaced, collared, elongated (Kayan)

STOMACH: liposuctioned, tucked

FACE: botoxed, fillered, lifted, resurfaced, lasered, contoured

LIPS: fillered, lipsticked, lipglossed, lined

LASHES: mascara'd, curled, tinted, permed, extensioned

EYEBROWS: waxed, shaved, plucked, tinted, microbladed

BREASTS: augmented, lifted, padded

NIPPLES: augmented, reduced

BUTTOCKS: augmented, lifted, liposuctioned, siliconed, padded, girdled

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Apr 13 2025, 10:15 PM #23

https://ovarit.com/o/WomensLiberation/526207/how-would-dworkin-s-beauty-hurts-diagram-be-updated-for-modern-times

How would Dworkin's "Beauty Hurts" diagram be updated for modern times?
Posted on Jan 8, 2024

Here is an older post with Dworkin's diagram from her book Woman Hating: https://ovarit.com/o/Radfemmery/85043/beauty-hurts

How do you feel this diagram would be different in modern times? Has anything changed for the better? Has anything gotten worse?



[Plus my own thoughts in a comment:]

Here are some of my thoughts on possible changes/additions. I included some beauty trends that are not just from Western culture.

BODY HAIR: waxed, sugared, epilated, plucked

NOSE: pierced, bejeweled, de-hooked, de-romanized

SKIN: bleached (Asia)

EYES: double eyelidded (Asia)

NECK: necklaced, collared, elongated (Kayan)

STOMACH: liposuctioned, tucked

FACE: botoxed, fillered, lifted, resurfaced, lasered, contoured

LIPS: fillered, lipsticked, lipglossed, lined

LASHES: mascara'd, curled, tinted, permed, extensioned

EYEBROWS: waxed, shaved, plucked, tinted, microbladed

BREASTS: augmented, lifted, padded

NIPPLES: augmented, reduced

BUTTOCKS: augmented, lifted, liposuctioned, siliconed, padded, girdled


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Apr 13 2025, 10:17 PM
#24
https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/525431/interesting-video-interview-between-two-detransitioned-men

Interesting video interview between two detransitioned men
Posted on Jan 5, 2024

Video: https://youtu.be/gd9IWjUKnxs

Shape Shifter and Billy are men who used to identify as a women. They both went through transitioning, as far as getting bottom surgery, and have then detransitioned.

Some interesting things they talk about:

  • Shape Shifter mentions how he learned that after seven years is when most TIPs begin to regret surgery, especially seven years after bottom surgery

  • The "feminizing voice" surgery TIMs get actually removes their ability to have a louder voice. Shape Shifter mentions that he brought up this concern to the doctor and the doctor told him it wouldn't happen, and it did. Shape Shifter mentions being scared that he can no longer scream if he is in danger. Billy also had this voice feminization surgery and has the same issue of not being able to speak loudly anymore.

  • Billy mentions children were able to clock him much easier than adults. (I assume this is due to children not knowing they have to "play pretend" with TIPs.)

It's a long video and I skip through it. Hopefully if someone likes long videos they find this interesting.

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Apr 13 2025, 10:17 PM #24

https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/525431/interesting-video-interview-between-two-detransitioned-men

Interesting video interview between two detransitioned men
Posted on Jan 5, 2024

Video: https://youtu.be/gd9IWjUKnxs

Shape Shifter and Billy are men who used to identify as a women. They both went through transitioning, as far as getting bottom surgery, and have then detransitioned.

Some interesting things they talk about:

  • Shape Shifter mentions how he learned that after seven years is when most TIPs begin to regret surgery, especially seven years after bottom surgery

  • The "feminizing voice" surgery TIMs get actually removes their ability to have a louder voice. Shape Shifter mentions that he brought up this concern to the doctor and the doctor told him it wouldn't happen, and it did. Shape Shifter mentions being scared that he can no longer scream if he is in danger. Billy also had this voice feminization surgery and has the same issue of not being able to speak loudly anymore.

  • Billy mentions children were able to clock him much easier than adults. (I assume this is due to children not knowing they have to "play pretend" with TIPs.)

It's a long video and I skip through it. Hopefully if someone likes long videos they find this interesting.


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Apr 13 2025, 10:17 PM
#25
https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/525295/the-monkey-s-paw-transwomen-do-not-want-to-truly-be-seen-as-women

The Monkey's Paw: "Transwomen" do not want to truly be seen as women
Posted on Jan 5, 2024

Transgender-identifying men, "transwomen," when they experience the closest possible thing they could experience to what it's like to actually be a woman in our sexist societies, they vehemently abhor it.

Chasers.

Chasers are men who are attracted to transgender-identifying men. They are a "special" type of men who reduce transgender-identifying men to fetishized sex objects. I think that these chasers are very similar to misogynistic men (which are the unfortunate vast majority of men) who are attracted to women, in the sense that both these groups of men view women and transgender-identifying men as sex objects.

And what attention do the vast majority of transgender-identifying men lament about and rant about? The attention they get from chasers. They write on their dating profiles "no chasers." They complain on their subreddits about chasers. They ask "how do I avoid chasers?" "How do I look out for chasers?" They fear when they're in a relationship with a man if he's really a chaser using them for sexual gratification, and doesn't view them as a whole human being, doesn't love them as a human being, but desires them as a sex object.

The vast majority of women know what that's like to be treated like a fetishized sex object from a very young age, due to the misogynistic culture and society we are raised in. We know and are used to this disturbing and perverse treatment of ourselves. It is never pleasant knowledge, to grow up knowing you are seen as an object to fuck, as holes to degrade.

So it's interesting to me, when transgender-identifying men cry so hard about how they want to be seen as women, and when they actually are treated how women are treated in a sexist patriarchal society, they abhor it. I assume the feeling of being treated like a literal sex object is quite new to them. They do not grow up with this, like women do. It is different than the sissification fetishes some of them participate in, which are just "fun little roleplays" for them and are ultimately their choice/consent to participate in. Even when they call "cat-calling" as affirming and euphoric, they still view it from the lens of a man, that "cat-calling" is secretly pleasing for women. When they experience men quite literally, intentionally, and deeply seeing them as a mere sex object, a person who deserves no respect or dignity, that's the closest they'll feel to what it's like to be a woman. And they hate it.

Transgender-identifying men don't want to be actual women. They make it clear when they are treated like how women are actually treated in modern-day society. They want to be their idea of woman, not the reality of woman. They don't realize their idea of woman is a misogynistic fetish, a one-dimensional sexist stereotype, and they are shocked when they are truly treated as such.

Be careful what you wish for.

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Apr 13 2025, 10:17 PM #25

https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/525295/the-monkey-s-paw-transwomen-do-not-want-to-truly-be-seen-as-women

The Monkey's Paw: "Transwomen" do not want to truly be seen as women
Posted on Jan 5, 2024

Transgender-identifying men, "transwomen," when they experience the closest possible thing they could experience to what it's like to actually be a woman in our sexist societies, they vehemently abhor it.

Chasers.

Chasers are men who are attracted to transgender-identifying men. They are a "special" type of men who reduce transgender-identifying men to fetishized sex objects. I think that these chasers are very similar to misogynistic men (which are the unfortunate vast majority of men) who are attracted to women, in the sense that both these groups of men view women and transgender-identifying men as sex objects.

And what attention do the vast majority of transgender-identifying men lament about and rant about? The attention they get from chasers. They write on their dating profiles "no chasers." They complain on their subreddits about chasers. They ask "how do I avoid chasers?" "How do I look out for chasers?" They fear when they're in a relationship with a man if he's really a chaser using them for sexual gratification, and doesn't view them as a whole human being, doesn't love them as a human being, but desires them as a sex object.

The vast majority of women know what that's like to be treated like a fetishized sex object from a very young age, due to the misogynistic culture and society we are raised in. We know and are used to this disturbing and perverse treatment of ourselves. It is never pleasant knowledge, to grow up knowing you are seen as an object to fuck, as holes to degrade.

So it's interesting to me, when transgender-identifying men cry so hard about how they want to be seen as women, and when they actually are treated how women are treated in a sexist patriarchal society, they abhor it. I assume the feeling of being treated like a literal sex object is quite new to them. They do not grow up with this, like women do. It is different than the sissification fetishes some of them participate in, which are just "fun little roleplays" for them and are ultimately their choice/consent to participate in. Even when they call "cat-calling" as affirming and euphoric, they still view it from the lens of a man, that "cat-calling" is secretly pleasing for women. When they experience men quite literally, intentionally, and deeply seeing them as a mere sex object, a person who deserves no respect or dignity, that's the closest they'll feel to what it's like to be a woman. And they hate it.

Transgender-identifying men don't want to be actual women. They make it clear when they are treated like how women are actually treated in modern-day society. They want to be their idea of woman, not the reality of woman. They don't realize their idea of woman is a misogynistic fetish, a one-dimensional sexist stereotype, and they are shocked when they are truly treated as such.

Be careful what you wish for.


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Apr 13 2025, 10:21 PM
#26
https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/521419/interesting-post-about-breast-binding-having-been-a-trend-in-the-1910s-in-china

Interesting post about breast-binding having been a trend in the 1910s in China
Posted on Dec 21, 2023

Quote:The breast binding trend that young women are doing now has already been done by young women 100 years ago.

Link to post by female-malice on Tumblr.

She quotes from the paper The Qipao: Defining Modern Women in the First Half of the 20th Century by Adrienne Cox:

Quote:The changes in qipao fashion began with the trend of breast binding in the early 1910s. Breast binding became more popular toward the end of the Qing dynasty, especially among young female students, who sought to hide their feminine figures by binding their breasts and wearing the early qipao that was stylistically similar to their male counterpart’s changpao style.

Quote:Breast binding provided young women with a slim boyish figure and allowed them to show off a more androgynous body as they began to move into the public sphere, which allowed them to preserve a sense of modesty. By hiding their feminine figures, they were able to enter the public sphere without drawing the attention of the male gaze as sexually promiscuous women. In the late 1910s, the trend of breast binding for political reasons quickly spread around urban China, and by the 1920s women of each province sported their own versions of breast binding devices.

Quote:The general practice of breast binding also points toward women’s desire to take control of their bodies as they are increasingly visible in the public eye. Women chose to bind their breasts as a way to make their body more suitable to the public eye, which then allowed them to take advantage of education and job opportunities that would bring them directly within the gaze of a society that had functioned by hiding female bodies for centuries. During this time period, who was in control of women’s bodies was the serious question. The changes in both breast binding and qipao styles provided women the opportunity to enter the public sphere without drawing the criticism of conservatives who felt women should stay within their traditional gender roles at home.

Quote:By the early to mid-1920s, another movement was beginning to gain traction that completely changed the way that women would display their bodies in public, as well as how the Nationalist government would respond to women’s political needs and demands. This movement began as some urban women sought to free their bodies from the constrains of their clothing as well as the constrains of traditional gender norms. These women sought to literally free their bodies from the historical bindings that had deformed women’s bodies. In this movement, breast binding became closely linked with rhetoric surrounding foot binding, which linked it to the feudal and restrictive past. Feminists across China called this the ‘natural curves’ movement, and it sought to completely eradicate breast binding and focused on women’s physical health.

Quote:When the ‘natural curves’ movement began, the women involved focused primarily on celebrating women’s ‘natural’ curves and bringing the ‘natural’ female form more fully into the public eye. This would both literally free women from hiding their figures using harmful tactics such as breast binding, as well as figuratively freeing women from the traditional expectations that drove women to hide themselves from men.

Quote:In the late 1920s the Nationalist government, as well as some conservative civilians supported ‘natural breasts’ and fashion that followed not out of a desire to liberate women, but out of concern for their reproductive health and creating a clear divide between genders. A popular magazine called The Women’s Monthly published an article that openly admonished young women who still bound their breasts, and other women’s magazines published articles encouraging women to abandon their old binders in favor of the western bra, that would support the breasts without constraining them. Breast binding was said to be a major detriment to a woman’s ability to raise her child, as it was widely accepted that breast binding caused women to be unable to produce milk. These groups linked what was supposed to be a form of female liberation back to the traditional gender roles that many women were trying to escape.

Tumblr user female-malice then sums it up succinctly:

Quote:First there's a breast binding trend among young women who want to avoid being sexualized by male peers.

Then there's a feminist rejection of this trend as feminists promote the importance of women's health and fitness.

And finally, conservatives co-opt the feminist rejection and twist it into a promotion of traditional reproductive duties.

All of this happened 100 years ago.

And all of it is happening again today.

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Apr 13 2025, 10:21 PM #26

https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/521419/interesting-post-about-breast-binding-having-been-a-trend-in-the-1910s-in-china

Interesting post about breast-binding having been a trend in the 1910s in China
Posted on Dec 21, 2023

Quote:The breast binding trend that young women are doing now has already been done by young women 100 years ago.

Link to post by female-malice on Tumblr.

She quotes from the paper The Qipao: Defining Modern Women in the First Half of the 20th Century by Adrienne Cox:

Quote:The changes in qipao fashion began with the trend of breast binding in the early 1910s. Breast binding became more popular toward the end of the Qing dynasty, especially among young female students, who sought to hide their feminine figures by binding their breasts and wearing the early qipao that was stylistically similar to their male counterpart’s changpao style.

Quote:Breast binding provided young women with a slim boyish figure and allowed them to show off a more androgynous body as they began to move into the public sphere, which allowed them to preserve a sense of modesty. By hiding their feminine figures, they were able to enter the public sphere without drawing the attention of the male gaze as sexually promiscuous women. In the late 1910s, the trend of breast binding for political reasons quickly spread around urban China, and by the 1920s women of each province sported their own versions of breast binding devices.

Quote:The general practice of breast binding also points toward women’s desire to take control of their bodies as they are increasingly visible in the public eye. Women chose to bind their breasts as a way to make their body more suitable to the public eye, which then allowed them to take advantage of education and job opportunities that would bring them directly within the gaze of a society that had functioned by hiding female bodies for centuries. During this time period, who was in control of women’s bodies was the serious question. The changes in both breast binding and qipao styles provided women the opportunity to enter the public sphere without drawing the criticism of conservatives who felt women should stay within their traditional gender roles at home.

Quote:By the early to mid-1920s, another movement was beginning to gain traction that completely changed the way that women would display their bodies in public, as well as how the Nationalist government would respond to women’s political needs and demands. This movement began as some urban women sought to free their bodies from the constrains of their clothing as well as the constrains of traditional gender norms. These women sought to literally free their bodies from the historical bindings that had deformed women’s bodies. In this movement, breast binding became closely linked with rhetoric surrounding foot binding, which linked it to the feudal and restrictive past. Feminists across China called this the ‘natural curves’ movement, and it sought to completely eradicate breast binding and focused on women’s physical health.

Quote:When the ‘natural curves’ movement began, the women involved focused primarily on celebrating women’s ‘natural’ curves and bringing the ‘natural’ female form more fully into the public eye. This would both literally free women from hiding their figures using harmful tactics such as breast binding, as well as figuratively freeing women from the traditional expectations that drove women to hide themselves from men.

Quote:In the late 1920s the Nationalist government, as well as some conservative civilians supported ‘natural breasts’ and fashion that followed not out of a desire to liberate women, but out of concern for their reproductive health and creating a clear divide between genders. A popular magazine called The Women’s Monthly published an article that openly admonished young women who still bound their breasts, and other women’s magazines published articles encouraging women to abandon their old binders in favor of the western bra, that would support the breasts without constraining them. Breast binding was said to be a major detriment to a woman’s ability to raise her child, as it was widely accepted that breast binding caused women to be unable to produce milk. These groups linked what was supposed to be a form of female liberation back to the traditional gender roles that many women were trying to escape.

Tumblr user female-malice then sums it up succinctly:

Quote:First there's a breast binding trend among young women who want to avoid being sexualized by male peers.

Then there's a feminist rejection of this trend as feminists promote the importance of women's health and fitness.

And finally, conservatives co-opt the feminist rejection and twist it into a promotion of traditional reproductive duties.

All of this happened 100 years ago.

And all of it is happening again today.


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https://ovarit.com/o/WomensLiberation/521269/it-look-like-feminist-reprise-org-is-officially-gone

It look like feminist-reprise.org is officially gone 😭
Posted on Dec 20, 2023

The farewell message on the website said 2024, I thought I'd have more time to try archiving it. :(

Heartbreaking how much feminist knowledge is now possibly lost.

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https://ovarit.com/o/WomensLiberation/521269/it-look-like-feminist-reprise-org-is-officially-gone

It look like feminist-reprise.org is officially gone 😭
Posted on Dec 20, 2023

The farewell message on the website said 2024, I thought I'd have more time to try archiving it. :(

Heartbreaking how much feminist knowledge is now possibly lost.


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https://ovarit.com/o/Women/520834/how-to-have-a-healthy-relationship-with-anger

How to have a healthy relationship with anger?
Posted on Dec 18, 2023

Anger is a valid emotion. Anger exists for a reason. Just because anger is used as an excuse for abusive people to hurt others does not mean it is without its purpose.

Anger is the fire that cleanses that which is dead and dessicated. The ashes nourish the soil and supplement new life. Suppressing anger adds more fuel to the fire when lightning sparks the overgrown dehydrated forest brambles. Anger demands justice. Anger demands accountability. Anger demands fairness. Anger can be the start of a desire for immense change.

These are ways I try to frame anger in a beneficial light. I think the issue for me is that anger for so long has been equated with violent and abusive behavior, especially from men. Untangling the two takes time.



I've been reading clarity & connection by yung pueblo, and while overall I like the encouraging messages, I feel like at some point it somewhat encourages people to quell anger and promote passivity? Maybe I am reading too much into it and getting too personal with the text.

In the part I am referencing (sorry, I've already forgotten at what part of the book I had these annoyed feelings), as a woman, I find it rather arrogant. The author is a man. I do not need to explain to the women here how much men have abused the emotion of anger to attempt to rationalize their violence. For too long, men have force-teamed anger with violence. I find it convenient for men to realize "I don't need to be angry" when really the realization needs to be "I don't need to be violent." Men conveniently can enjoy living passive peaceful lives, free of "anger," while also free from the restrictions imposed by patriarchal systems they benefit from. They conveniently can give lectures and realizations of how we can all simply free ourselves from our anger and magically the world will just work itself out (aka quietly seething women do work in the shadows).

Again, maybe I'm reading it wrong or something. I've kept reading the book since the part that prompted me to write this post, and I haven't felt that same pang of irritation since.



Women's anger is frequently mocked or dismissed. When women are angry, it's hysteria. When women are angry, it's uncivil and "unladylike." It feels like women are not allowed to be angry.

How do you have a healthy relationship with anger?

I welcome any advice or input on this matter. Anything that helps you work through anger. Be it thoughts or exercises or activities.

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Apr 13 2025, 10:34 PM #28

https://ovarit.com/o/Women/520834/how-to-have-a-healthy-relationship-with-anger

How to have a healthy relationship with anger?
Posted on Dec 18, 2023

Anger is a valid emotion. Anger exists for a reason. Just because anger is used as an excuse for abusive people to hurt others does not mean it is without its purpose.

Anger is the fire that cleanses that which is dead and dessicated. The ashes nourish the soil and supplement new life. Suppressing anger adds more fuel to the fire when lightning sparks the overgrown dehydrated forest brambles. Anger demands justice. Anger demands accountability. Anger demands fairness. Anger can be the start of a desire for immense change.

These are ways I try to frame anger in a beneficial light. I think the issue for me is that anger for so long has been equated with violent and abusive behavior, especially from men. Untangling the two takes time.



I've been reading clarity & connection by yung pueblo, and while overall I like the encouraging messages, I feel like at some point it somewhat encourages people to quell anger and promote passivity? Maybe I am reading too much into it and getting too personal with the text.

In the part I am referencing (sorry, I've already forgotten at what part of the book I had these annoyed feelings), as a woman, I find it rather arrogant. The author is a man. I do not need to explain to the women here how much men have abused the emotion of anger to attempt to rationalize their violence. For too long, men have force-teamed anger with violence. I find it convenient for men to realize "I don't need to be angry" when really the realization needs to be "I don't need to be violent." Men conveniently can enjoy living passive peaceful lives, free of "anger," while also free from the restrictions imposed by patriarchal systems they benefit from. They conveniently can give lectures and realizations of how we can all simply free ourselves from our anger and magically the world will just work itself out (aka quietly seething women do work in the shadows).

Again, maybe I'm reading it wrong or something. I've kept reading the book since the part that prompted me to write this post, and I haven't felt that same pang of irritation since.



Women's anger is frequently mocked or dismissed. When women are angry, it's hysteria. When women are angry, it's uncivil and "unladylike." It feels like women are not allowed to be angry.

How do you have a healthy relationship with anger?

I welcome any advice or input on this matter. Anything that helps you work through anger. Be it thoughts or exercises or activities.


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Apr 13 2025, 10:34 PM
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https://ovarit.com/o/WomensLiberation/509924/i-created-radfem-kindrad-org-grateful-for-any-feedback

I created radfem.kindrad.org, grateful for any feedback.
Posted on Nov 6, 2023

Hi all!

I "finished" the page for radical feminism for kindrad.org. I put finished in quotes because I feel like there's always going to be ways to improve it. https://radfem.kindrad.org/

I am grateful to receive any feedback or suggestions from any women who align with radical feminist values.

My goal for this subdomain and page is to help introduce people to radical feminism a bit more in-depth than the main kindrad website.

  • I think the "women's autonomy" section is somewhat weak and too broad. My intention was to elaborate that women are human beings that should be free to make decisions of their own accord, and not be constrained to decisions that conform to patriarchal expectations. My thoughts when making this section: women and girls who feel pressured to appear or act feminine; women who did not get the chance to learn in their youth that being same-sex attracted is okay; women who were raised in religious families and who don't know they can renounce their religion. I don't know if it'd be better to fix the section somehow or my other thought was to split some of the bullet points up into sections like healthcare, education, economy/work/career?
In the future, my plan is to further add pages for each radical feminist stance that would go into greater detail about the stance. If anyone is particularly passionate about any stance, I welcome any efforts to collaborate and share knowledge and resources. If anyone wants to help on a specific stance page, I am happy to credit you on the page however you'd like.

I'm open to any feedback, critique, or suggestion. Please let me know if I am incorrect in anything I've written, or if something is confusing.

Thank you!

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https://ovarit.com/o/WomensLiberation/509924/i-created-radfem-kindrad-org-grateful-for-any-feedback

I created radfem.kindrad.org, grateful for any feedback.
Posted on Nov 6, 2023

Hi all!

I "finished" the page for radical feminism for kindrad.org. I put finished in quotes because I feel like there's always going to be ways to improve it. https://radfem.kindrad.org/

I am grateful to receive any feedback or suggestions from any women who align with radical feminist values.

My goal for this subdomain and page is to help introduce people to radical feminism a bit more in-depth than the main kindrad website.

  • I think the "women's autonomy" section is somewhat weak and too broad. My intention was to elaborate that women are human beings that should be free to make decisions of their own accord, and not be constrained to decisions that conform to patriarchal expectations. My thoughts when making this section: women and girls who feel pressured to appear or act feminine; women who did not get the chance to learn in their youth that being same-sex attracted is okay; women who were raised in religious families and who don't know they can renounce their religion. I don't know if it'd be better to fix the section somehow or my other thought was to split some of the bullet points up into sections like healthcare, education, economy/work/career?
In the future, my plan is to further add pages for each radical feminist stance that would go into greater detail about the stance. If anyone is particularly passionate about any stance, I welcome any efforts to collaborate and share knowledge and resources. If anyone wants to help on a specific stance page, I am happy to credit you on the page however you'd like.

I'm open to any feedback, critique, or suggestion. Please let me know if I am incorrect in anything I've written, or if something is confusing.

Thank you!


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Apr 13 2025, 10:35 PM
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https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/504638/do-you-think-male-children-who-are-being-raised-as-girls-due-to-pro-trans-parent

Do you think male children who are being raised "as girls" due to pro-trans parents are getting female or male socialization?
Posted on Oct 26, 2023

I am curious about this. Radical feminist theory posits the reason the vast majority of men "are the way they are" is because of their male socialization (along with the benefits of maintaining the patriarchal status quo for males).

This makes me wonder, do you think that male children who are currently being raised "as girls" by pro-trans parents are receiving male or female socialization?

Part of me feels like these boys are still going to receive some male socialization from their parents, who know the truth. The aspects of being coddled, being given "star treatment," being "special," only considering themselves and such. These seem common socializations for males?

However, if this boy is raised "as a girl," and girls have to include him in social activities and consider him a girl, would he not receive some sort of female socialization from his peers? Not only that, but I think children are pretty gender-neutral looking, without gendered markers like clothing and hairstyles, until they start to reach puberty? (I'm not sure, I don't know much about child development.) So if a boy were dressed as and encouraged to pretend to be a "stereotypical girl" their entire youth, wouldn't people interacting with him give the boy some sort of female socialization?

The only two cases I could think of was David Reimer and Jazz Jennings. David Reimer had an absolutely tragic story, he was not transitioned "by his own choice." His parents were told to raise him "as a girl" due to a botched circumcision, doctors decided to give him a full orchidectomy and craft him a "vagina" as a young child, because apparently that's "better" than being a penis-less man. Reimer committed suicide in his 30s, his parents say his suicide was due to the sexual abuse done to him and his twin brother in their youth by Dr. John Money. The other case is Jazz Jennings, who I feel like doesn't quite work because of the large amount of his life he was treated as a poster child for specifically being trans, not just "a girl," and how much of his childhood was spent being a reality TV star and a trans activist.

I wonder if boys who are being transitioned are not receiving either male socialization or female socialization, but instead some unique sort of "TIM socialization?" The boy would know that they are trans and that they "chose" to be trans. They would grow up considering themselves "special." Pro-trans parents likely make sure their son feels that they're "special."

What do you all think?

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Apr 13 2025, 10:35 PM #30

https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/504638/do-you-think-male-children-who-are-being-raised-as-girls-due-to-pro-trans-parent

Do you think male children who are being raised "as girls" due to pro-trans parents are getting female or male socialization?
Posted on Oct 26, 2023

I am curious about this. Radical feminist theory posits the reason the vast majority of men "are the way they are" is because of their male socialization (along with the benefits of maintaining the patriarchal status quo for males).

This makes me wonder, do you think that male children who are currently being raised "as girls" by pro-trans parents are receiving male or female socialization?

Part of me feels like these boys are still going to receive some male socialization from their parents, who know the truth. The aspects of being coddled, being given "star treatment," being "special," only considering themselves and such. These seem common socializations for males?

However, if this boy is raised "as a girl," and girls have to include him in social activities and consider him a girl, would he not receive some sort of female socialization from his peers? Not only that, but I think children are pretty gender-neutral looking, without gendered markers like clothing and hairstyles, until they start to reach puberty? (I'm not sure, I don't know much about child development.) So if a boy were dressed as and encouraged to pretend to be a "stereotypical girl" their entire youth, wouldn't people interacting with him give the boy some sort of female socialization?

The only two cases I could think of was David Reimer and Jazz Jennings. David Reimer had an absolutely tragic story, he was not transitioned "by his own choice." His parents were told to raise him "as a girl" due to a botched circumcision, doctors decided to give him a full orchidectomy and craft him a "vagina" as a young child, because apparently that's "better" than being a penis-less man. Reimer committed suicide in his 30s, his parents say his suicide was due to the sexual abuse done to him and his twin brother in their youth by Dr. John Money. The other case is Jazz Jennings, who I feel like doesn't quite work because of the large amount of his life he was treated as a poster child for specifically being trans, not just "a girl," and how much of his childhood was spent being a reality TV star and a trans activist.

I wonder if boys who are being transitioned are not receiving either male socialization or female socialization, but instead some unique sort of "TIM socialization?" The boy would know that they are trans and that they "chose" to be trans. They would grow up considering themselves "special." Pro-trans parents likely make sure their son feels that they're "special."

What do you all think?


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