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"RadFems" For Prostitution - Impress Polly - Oct 24 2025
So I was perusing the 4B Movement subreddit recently when I ran across this post where a user who goes by SimpleBandicoot5411 complained of getting banned from a radical feminism sub for opposing the sex industry. I was curious what place that could possibly be since there's no way it was Fourth Wave Women, so I searched for r/RadicalFeminism and instantly found my answer. Behold r/RadicalFeminism! Notice their rules over on the right. Notice specifically that the very first one, prioritized over all the others, is "No TERFs, No SWERFS". You can't make this shit up! And here I thought "radical feminists" had grown kind of pathetic already, reduced to de facto reformism and even beginning to abandon some of that lately (like gender critical activism, which is how conservatives take over that work, in case you can't figure that out)! This year does not cease to underwhelm me. Embracing the buying and selling of women's bodies as a "liberatory" practice (that's the actual wording of the rule descriptor) is the last step on the road to fully removing all remaining distinctions between liberal and radical women's politics.
It doesn't depress me that this exists as a thing now, it angers me. My experience in prostitution was the whole goddessdamn reason why I became a women's liberationist in the first place! There came a point where someone recommended that I read Pornography: Men Possessing Women. It literally changed the whole entire trajectory of my life, Andrea Dworkin's way of writing about the sexual exploitation of women by men. And no, I will not use the industry-fabricated term "sex worker" to describe prostituted women because this is not a labor issue meriting perhaps workforce unionization like the liberals and Marxists insist, it's a women's issue meriting abolition of a system that treats our bodies themselves as commodities and our souls -- the souls of all women -- as disposable. Yeah, prostitution is just like a normal job. Except that your boss has to first convince you that he's your boyfriend and loves you very much and just wants to provide for you and take care of you like your own dad didn't. And takes away your car keys and locks you in. And pays you in highly addictive drugs so you'll be able to tolerate "your job" happening to you and also feel unable to leave. And you can't wear a name tag because it's too dangerous for your customers to know your name. But yes, by all means let's ignore the life expectancy of women in the sex industry and pretend that that's good for you and make it as accessible and common as possible! Clearly to disagree with that proposition is to have a phobia; a mental illness of some kind. You'd have to be crazy to oppose the sex industry. Clearly my persuasion is motivated by hatred for prostitutes and strippers and porn performers. Clearly.
It amazes me how all the socialist principles of the Marxists and progressives always end where the bodies of women begin. Sex is one thing they seem unable to bring themselves to want to de-commodify.If you want to know what it feels like to rent out your body, imagine being raped over and over and over and over and over and over again, day after day after day, every day for weeks, then you think you're about to leave, then weeks turn into months, you think you'll leave in a couple more months, then months turn into years. You start to forget what your name is because nobody calls you that anymore, including you. That's what it feels like. You can convince yourself that you're making choices, that you're in control of your own destiny and can leave any time you want, and technically that stuff may be true, but it doesn't change the way it feels to experience. Your body still registers it as if it were rape because this is sex you don't want to have and it still traumatizes you over and over and over again. You get really good at the fine art of dissociation. One day maybe you try to take the proverbial mask off only to find that there's nothing underneath it anymore; that you, what was the real you, is gone. And then you just sort of wonder aimlessly through your life, wondering who the hell you even are now and whether there's any going back.
...I'm going off on a tangent because talking about this is working me up right now, sorry. I have strong feelings about this shit. In fact there's really nothing in life that I feel more strongly about. So If this is where "radical feminism" is going then count me actively, not passively, against it. I will not fucking rest until THIS crap is no more!Let's take over this sub. I'm not kidding. Let's just take over r/RadicalFeminism. I think it actually can be done! The woke-ass pick-me shit I've described here really looks like it's just stuff the mods believe in, NOT the sub's general population, and it looks just small enough as yet that its direction could potentially be influenced by the organized intervention of a few or several dozen new posters across many threads. Seriously, check out the consistent pattern:
-Here on a very mod-friendly thread titled "Whorephobia is a pillar of rape culture", you'll notice that the mods have had to lock the thread and delete most of the responses because they were dissenting ones that voiced opposition to the sex industry, that the OP has only 16 up-votes compared to 66 comments, and that the most up-voted surviving comments are also dissenting ones.
-Another very mod-friendly thread opposing burqa restrictions entitled When did the community get hijacked by bigots? has 27 up-votes so far...and a larger 40 comments, with the most popular comment thereon, at 38 up-votes, being one opposing religion. Conversely, a much more popular thread, at 150 up-votes so far, makes fun of a Birmingham imam explaining the proper way to stone a woman to death.
-Here's one denouncing the 4B movement for its man-hating and supposed bigotry. Not a single up-vote, but three comments. Pro-4B comments have a couple up-votes apiece. (Not many there seem to know what 4B is, but once they learn, their instinct is to back it.)
-Now let's get into some of the more popular posts I can readily find on the sub. At 294 up-votes is a misandrist type thread about dating double-standards satisfyingly titled Unironically getting depressed over how ugly men are. It's legitimately a great read! Locked by the moderators for being too popular.
-Other popular threads skirt the sub's rules against TERFing and ice queening in barely concealed ways. Here, for example, is an anti-porn meme with 174 up-votes entitled Men don't want to end violence against women. They masturbate to it. Another, with 218 up-votes, deftly quotes Andrea Dworkin, just not on the subject of the sex industry. And here's one of my personal favorite posts entitled I detransitioned (from being a trans man) because I started to feel like men were fundamentally evil and I didn't want to be associated with it. 302 up-votes on that one so far. Most popular post I can readily find on the sub!
-While many posts on the sub implicitly question socialization theory, my absolute favorite post that I've found there so far is this video that explicitly offers an evolutionary perspective on how patriarchy was invented to undermine natural selection so that inferior men could reproduce their genes. It's the most thoroughly based and un-woke post I located.
254 up-votes as of now. Another favorite of mine highlights that in most sexually dimorphic mammal species similar to ours, the females select their mates, not the other way around like the way humans do.-Another poster asks how she can stop being heterosexual because she hates men. (Most popular response, at 64 up-votes, is a link to the 4B Movement sub, nothing that "You don't have to be non-hetero to separate yourself from men.")
You get the picture: There very much appears to be a real gap between what the sub's moderators stand for and what its general user base stands for. The user base seems to skew young, refreshingly based, and deeply male-skeptical. I suggest that we invade the sub in an organized way and feed this conflict with a bunch of threads and posts blatantly violating the rules mandating sexual liberalism, queer theory, and so forth and weaponize the positive responses to promote the idea of replacing the mods. I believe that with this little conspiracy we can potentially drive the mods out or, barring that, destroy the place and draw the general populace over to like Fourth Wave Women, the 4B Movement sub, and, well, Cloven Hooves.
Let's do it! Let's plan this out here!
RE: "RadFems" For Prostitution - noray - Oct 25 2025
/r/radicalfeminism is a pit of villainy. I made a twitter post about this, but one of the owners is a trans chaser, kinkster, and a pimp recruiting for her webcam business. There's an obvious conflict of interest.
NSFW warning:
https://x.com/noirefem1/status/1970194871622238529
RE: "RadFems" For Prostitution - Elsacat - Oct 25 2025
I wonder whether those mods are actually women.
RE: "RadFems" For Prostitution - Impress Polly - Oct 26 2025
(Oct 25 2025, 5:29 AM)noray /r/radicalfeminism is a pit of villainy. I made a twitter post about this, but one of the owners is a trans chaser, kinkster, and a pimp recruiting for her webcam business. There's an obvious conflict of interest.
NSFW warning:
https://x.com/noirefem1/status/1970194871622238529
That somehow doesn't surprise me at all.
(Oct 25 2025, 5:59 PM)Elsacat I wonder whether those mods are actually women.
Honestly, that was a thought I had too. Like if this is a Femen kinda situation where the "radfem" group is actually created and run by a dude and really looks like it. But it looks like Noray has some clear answers.
RE: "RadFems" For Prostitution - YesYourNigel - Oct 26 2025
How would posting a lot of threads there get rid of the mods? I'd love to contribute but I feel like I'd just get banned and nothing would really happen. I imagine whatever sicko made this sub knew the rules are incompatible with actual radical feminism, and they probably love the thought of shutting women up and replacing their feminism with the liberal-approved exploitative version.
RE: "RadFems" For Prostitution - Impress Polly - Oct 27 2025
(Oct 26 2025, 8:08 PM)YesYourNigel How would posting a lot of threads there get rid of the mods? I'd love to contribute but I feel like I'd just get banned and nothing would really happen. I imagine whatever sicko made this sub knew the rules are incompatible with actual radical feminism, and they probably love the thought of shutting women up and replacing their feminism with the liberal-approved exploitative version.
It's a fair question. My idea is that we, in an organized and coordinated fashion here (as I seriously doubt the mods know that this place exists) plan out dates and times to be online posting and backing each other up over on the subreddit. The goal would be to accentuate the existing divide between the moderators and the general membership by polarizing the debates. As explained in the OP, I believe the general community would tend to be on our side and show it in the comments and with up-votes. Then the mods would predictably intervene, locking threads, deleting comments, banning users (likely including lots of us, yes), but that is the point where we start protesting and raising the idea of replacing the mods because their rules are out of touch with what the community wants. Ideally it catches on, demand ultimately becomes overwhelming to the point that something has to happen. Something like that. It's just a little scheme that exists in my head. It may very well not actually work. There doesn't seem to be any uptake on it here anyway, so I guess I'll just have to drop it and let it go.
RE: "RadFems" For Prostitution - Clover - Oct 27 2025
(Oct 26 2025, 5:27 PM)Impress Polly(Oct 25 2025, 5:59 PM)Elsacat I wonder whether those mods are actually women.
Honestly, that was a thought I had too. Like if this is a Femen kinda situation where the "radfem" group is actually created and run by a dude and really looks like it. But it looks like Noray has some clear answers.
This reminds me of r/PornIsMisogyny, which was a pretty based and rad-pilled subreddit calling out pornography. It was quite great. I'm honestly not sure how it is now, since I don't really use reddit anymore except to lurk r/popular, but I remember months ago (and it was discussed on Ovarit back when it happened) about how some TIMs basically started complaining the subreddit was "transphobic" and stuff... so the mods of that sub acquiesced and made a TIM a mod to show how much of supportive allies they are to TWAW uwu. I'm not sure how it is now or if that TIM mod is still there, but like, I don't doubt that since there was instated a TIM mod that the calling out of misogyny had to have been suppressed in some manner...
(Oct 27 2025, 7:15 PM)Impress Polly(Oct 26 2025, 8:08 PM)YesYourNigel How would posting a lot of threads there get rid of the mods? I'd love to contribute but I feel like I'd just get banned and nothing would really happen. I imagine whatever sicko made this sub knew the rules are incompatible with actual radical feminism, and they probably love the thought of shutting women up and replacing their feminism with the liberal-approved exploitative version.
It's a fair question. My idea is that we, in an organized and coordinated fashion here (as I seriously doubt the mods know that this place exists) plan out dates and times to be online posting and backing each other up over on the subreddit. The goal would be to accentuate the existing divide between the moderators and the general membership by polarizing the debates. As explained in the OP, I believe the general community would tend to be on our side and show it in the comments and with up-votes. Then the mods would predictably intervene, locking threads, deleting comments, banning users (likely including lots of us, yes), but that is the point where we start protesting and raising the idea of replacing the mods because their rules are out of touch with what the community wants. Ideally it catches on, demand ultimately becomes overwhelming to the point that something has to happen. Something like that. It's just a little scheme that exists in my head. It may very well not actually work. There doesn't seem to be any uptake on it here anyway, so I guess I'll just have to drop it and let it go.
Yeah, unfortunately I think that it's super difficult to meaningfully make a change like that in a censorious-mod-ruled subreddit. Generally, mods like that are quick to sniff out any semblance of posts going against the mods, and delete them/ban users. It's fighting an uphill battle, because there really is no incentive for them to not mod that subreddit. Reddit admins will not step in to do anything (the same brogressives who banned r/GenderCritical and their head mods without warning), so we'd be left discussing this on another subreddit, if they're accepting of such content. It's an uphill battle fighting two fronts actually 1.) the power-tripping anti-feminist mods and 2.) the brogressive reddit culture that abhors radical feminism to begin with.
That being said, I think r/fourthwavewomen is a pretty decent radical feminist-ish subreddit? Could also make your own subreddit based on radical feminism. Or find/make a place to call out the misogynistic irony of the rules/content of r/RadicalFeminism. Feel free to do so here, ofc. Have you heard of the subreddit r/ShitRedditSays? Idk if it's still around, but back in the early 2010's it was a place to call out racism and sexism on Reddit. We could continue something like that: r/ShitRedditSays: radfem edition, lol.
(Also I know this forum is small but we've been featured on r/GenderCynical at least once, so it's likely there are TRA-lurkers here who will alert the reddit hive.)
RE: "RadFems" For Prostitution - LeftFem - Oct 28 2025
Being pro sex work is hardly radical or feminist. Sadly, on reddit, there are a lot of mods that have taken over subs that just about change the nature of the sub.
RE: "RadFems" For Prostitution - Impress Polly - Nov 2 2025
(Oct 27 2025, 8:01 PM)Clover This reminds me of r/PornIsMisogyny, which was a pretty based and rad-pilled subreddit calling out pornography. It was quite great. I'm honestly not sure how it is now, since I don't really use reddit anymore except to lurk r/popular, but I remember months ago (and it was discussed on Ovarit back when it happened) about how some TIMs basically started complaining the subreddit was "transphobic" and stuff... so the mods of that sub acquiesced and made a TIM a mod to show how much of supportive allies they are to TWAW uwu. I'm not sure how it is now or if that TIM mod is still there, but like, I don't doubt that since there was instated a TIM mod that the calling out of misogyny had to have been suppressed in some manner...
Rad pilled was a brilliant formulation, hee!
There's a pill for everything else (Lain pilled and everything), so why not? Anyway, the Porn is Misogyny sub is still pretty good actually! Well by today's Reddit standards it's good anyway. Since the woke censorship wave of 2020-21, "transphobia" is banned everywhere on the platform, so all subs have to acquiesce to that particular kind of bullshit now. It's a significant downside of the platform itself. Leaving major social medias though just isolates us, leading to slow death of the movement. Reality is that we need new social medias to emerge. It's just gonna keep getting more restrictive on the existing ones. Eventually we may need something like a 4chan for women. Anyway, I'm sure some viable new social will emerge, eventually. For now though, the entire women's movement is suffering, partly from its own self-censorship.
Feminism wants to be wild and free, but we won't let it be. That would be mean.
Quote:Yeah, unfortunately I think that it's super difficult to meaningfully make a change like that in a censorious-mod-ruled subreddit. Generally, mods like that are quick to sniff out any semblance of posts going against the mods, and delete them/ban users. It's fighting an uphill battle, because there really is no incentive for them to not mod that subreddit. Reddit admins will not step in to do anything (the same brogressives who banned r/GenderCritical and their head mods without warning), so we'd be left discussing this on another subreddit, if they're accepting of such content. It's an uphill battle fighting two fronts actually 1.) the power-tripping anti-feminist mods and 2.) the brogressive reddit culture that abhors radical feminism to begin with.
That being said, I think r/fourthwavewomen is a pretty decent radical feminist-ish subreddit? Could also make your own subreddit based on radical feminism. Or find/make a place to call out the misogynistic irony of the rules/content of r/RadicalFeminism. Feel free to do so here, ofc. Have you heard of the subreddit r/ShitRedditSays? Idk if it's still around, but back in the early 2010's it was a place to call out racism and sexism on Reddit. We could continue something like that: r/ShitRedditSays: radfem edition, lol.
(Also I know this forum is small but we've been featured on r/GenderCynical at least once, so it's likely there are TRA-lurkers here who will alert the reddit hive.)
Oooooo, did they mention me? Am I a celebrity??
..Anyway, I actually found this place through the Fourth Wave Women (this post specifically), so yeah, I know it used to be a decent place at least, if a little PC. But look at it now. It's basically dead. Notice they're down to just 51 weekly contributors. Apparently they've been having a moderator crisis for months. For perspective, by contrast you'll notice that the 4B movement sub is now up to 3,500 weekly contributors! It's now the largest surviving radfem-adjacent community on Reddit that I'm aware of.
Hell, I actually like the general r/RadicalFeminism community itself for that matter! As I've pointed out, and as you can further verify any time you visit, there's just a refreshingly based feel to it. It has a TREMENDOUS amount of potential! I just want it to be free of its ridiculous liberal moderators who are trying to force it to be a libfem space against the will of the general community.
RE: "RadFems" For Prostitution - YesYourNigel - Nov 2 2025
Quote:Eventually we may need something like a 4chan for women
Oh god no...nothing good can come from FrEe SpEeCh spaces like 4chan. Those sorts of spaces are an outlet for mask-off men who want to openly express the full extent of their sociopathic tendencies and supremacist hatred that civilised society expects them to downplay in polite company.
Most of the female userbase I see in spaces like that are either conservative pearclutching women or CoolGirl pickme's. Both don't really have any identity or individual thought process outside of parroting their Nigel's or male friends' testerical rants. Like, I really don't get where this idea is coming from that spaces like that encourage debate or free thought when I've really never seen them do anything but rush to reaffirm the bottom of the barrel most obvious supremacist ideas that we're drowning in anyways in day to day life.
For better or for worse, feminist spaces need to demand a higher level of engagement and intelligence than just "lulz (insert slur)" or "WUT ABOUT MALE RAPE VICTIMS???!!!" because we can't afford to be stupid and delusional and just go with the flow of the world around us trying to send us into a meat grinder. Knuckleheading your way through life and reveling in the ethical abuses of subhumans is a male privilege. It's not for us and can never be, no matter how much we try to imitate the superficial confidence and fishing of approval associated with it. Women who try (conservative women, pickme CoolGirls, TIFs, take your pick) are in constant fear of falling out of men's grace and being labeled as the subhuman targets of abuse that women are meant to be. The more critically inclined women are not going to want to participate in a brainless space like that which means it'll just deteriorate into another Ovarit.
Ironically I think, for all the libfems' faults, that they tend to at least showcase the uniquely female drive of questioning the status quo and making the world a better place and actually demand respect for themselves, even if they've been brainwashed into taking the stupidest most milquetoast path to it. Much as I hate femininity, at least they're trying to push for a world where more female-associated norms are not automatically seen as garbage, unlike your typical bootlicking handmaidens who can't even advocate for their own interests and are only capable of living vicariously through the more privileged men that they're propping up.
Quote:Anyway, I'm sure some new social viable new social will emerge, eventually. For now though, the entire women's movement is suffering, partly from its own self-censorship.
I guess that's the issue inherent to liberal feminism. I don't think just loosening censorship helps - I think there needs to be a proactive enforcement of rules to make feminism stop running in circles using the same broken logic and fallacies that 90% of normies use. Otherwise you just end up with the two extremes of endlessly-permissive intersectionalist "can't advocate for women in case that hurts the feelings of some group that has a good excuse for exploiting women" liberal feminism VS "feminism is so lame and my dudebro friends are so cool and edgy and freethinking and I love clapping for them" no-censorship groups.