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Leftist vs [neo]liberalism - Clover - Aug 1 2025 I think for those new to politics, or kind of in the surface level of the left versus right dichotomy, it is somewhat difficult to wrap one's head around the difference between the left/leftists and [neo]liberals. It doesn't help when right-wingers intentionally conflate the terms. It especially doesn't help when even the terms liberalism and neoliberalism are actually different concepts, and when most people talk about liberals they mean neoliberals (thanks to tuff_terfies on Ovarit for educating me on that, especially in the context of liberal feminism and neoliberal feminism). So I'm making this post to collect various resources that try to help explain the difference between left wing and [neo]liberalism. (Others who are more politically aware than me feel free to add to this thread, ofc.) Starting with this Reddit comment that encouraged me to make this thread: jasoncross00 DNC: "We need to win more elections! How can we get people motivated?!" From https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1mcqq6b/zohran_mamdani_beats_out_all_nyc_mayoral/n5wym6b/?context=1 RE: Leftist vs [neo]liberalism - Impress Polly - Aug 1 2025 This is a great thread concept! I was actually thinking about starting a thread entitled something like "The New Global Political Order" to define the increasingly universal four-party system that seems to be emerging around the globe, but especially in more developed countries. I think I'll just post some of those thoughts here instead. When it comes to distinguishing the political left from the right, it may be worth appreciating that those terms came from the original French National Assembly from the 1790s wherein absolute monarchists were situated in the chamber's right wing, republicans in the left wing, and constitutional monarchists in the center. That I think captures the aura of it all: one is a rightist in politics to the extent that they prize hierarchy and a leftist to the extent that they value equality. In today's world, increasingly what you see seems to look like these four factions:
As to where I personally fall on this spectrum...I dunno, I'm with whoever seems to be most on my side at the moment on this or that issue. I prefer to avoid declaring definite partisan loyalties. It affords more leverage. The one most willing to leave a relationship has the most bargaining power within it. I'm practical that way. You almost have to be when you're worldview is extremely fringe, lol! When I took the standard Political Compass Test, it placed me in the authoritarian left quadrant and that makes sense. I favor a kind of matriarchal market socialism and revolves around worker-owned cooperatives whose startup costs are covered by the state and women receiving systematic preferential treatment under the law (e.g. female-only immigration, curfews for men, banning men from voting, subsidies for female-preference IVF, maybe a constitutional queendom, etc.)...or just physical separation from men, like our own nation somewhere in the world,, either-or, whatever's most viable and cathartically fun because this is all just silly wishful thinking anyway and none of it's actually gonna happen. It's not in our DNA. Women are too nice. We don't have what it takes to actually get rid of patriarchal social relations. And we're also broadly weaker and less armed than men, so we don't physically have what it takes either. But anyway, wherever that outlook fits in our body politic, there am I, ha ha! I'm sure that'll be on the ballot in the midterms. My entire worldview revolves around my gender politics and that is a fringe-y take to have. I accept this reality. EDIT: I consider "leftist" a term non-synonymous with either "liberalism" or "progressivism". I could be considered somewhat leftist, but am not the most permissive (i.e. liberal) person nor the most enthused about technological advancement for its own sake (i.e. progressive); like I'm skeptical of many aspects of the modern world ranging from online porn to crypto to, y'know, I worry about things like the singularity sometimes, stuff like that. |