Quote:males exist to diversify the gene pool and protect us from predators

Quote:what predators do we need male protection from at this point? Ah yes, other men! Moids who cannot even do that don't deserve female companionship.

(Dec 14 2025, 1:30 AM)Impress Polly Female is nature's default sex. Evolutionarily speaking, males exist to diversify the gene pool and protect us from predators. Human beings are now at the top of the food chain though, so what predators do we need male protection from at this point? Ah yes, other men! Moids who cannot even do that don't deserve female companionship. 

I'm inspired by the video below to say these things tonight. Therein, an armed robber attacks a woman while the much taller guy she's with hides behind a wall, leaving her to fend for herself, and comes out to comfort her only after the assault has ended and the mugger has been subdued by several random passers-by. If they're an item, she should dump his ass now!

(Dec 14 2025, 10:05 PM)YesYourNigel

Quote:males exist to diversify the gene pool and protect us from predators

The sexes have evolved way way before any sort of notion of "protection" even came into play. Plenty of species have males that barely interact with females, and those that do tend to use their strength to control, rape and isolate females. Males want to control female reproductive function, not arbitrarily "protect" them because they evolved to be knights in shining armours. Males have historically abused, starved, raped and isolated girls and women to the point that female bones tend to have signs of this abuse, and men didn't give a shit as long as women (and girls) kept popping out babies for them. Don't get your ideas on evolution from romance novels plz

Quote:what predators do we need male protection from at this point? Ah yes, other men! Moids who cannot even do that don't deserve female companionship.

Just...no. I would hope that no woman would date a man just because he knows how to protect his "property" or that she'd find that romantic in any way. This is some conservative gender-role-worshipping horseshit. Sure, the guy might beat you or think you're subhuman, but at least he'll be your knight in shining armour when you get attacked, just like in your romance novels 🥰

People don't act like action movie stars, especially if they are unused to conflict, let alone physical conflict, doubly so in the modern world (for better of for worse). I would not blame anyone for freezing or feeling scared. These videos are posted to mock men for not being "real men" by the same crowds who then watch "crazy Karen meltdown" videos. The same men who fancy themselves "protectors" will spend most of their time making excuses for rapists and domestic abusers.

The man who freezes might be someone who's anxious and has never physically fought with anyone in his life because he doesn't like violence or he could be some gamer loser who's willfully isolated himself from any real life difficulties. The man who fights back might be someone who happened to have had to physically subdue unruly men, or he might be an aggressive maniac who's used to blowing up and fighting with other men (in my experience the latter is much more common). Bottom line is that a man's tendency to get violent says absolutely nothing about how good of a partner he is and especially whether he respects women or not.

Also, the person who came to this woman's rescue was, guess what, a man. So it's bizarre to use this example to prove men aren't even good for protecting women when there are countless examples of them doing that because, surprise surprise, men are socialised to feel like badasses when fighting. It says absolutely nothing about how much they value women or their romantic partners. Men do shallow shit all the time that gets sold to women as "protection" and "romance" and women are suckers who buy into it even though men couldn't give a damn about them.

If "cowardice" and "protection" is what we're evaluating people by, then other women suck at that. I have constantly had women stand on the side and not even help when there was no danger, just physical help that was needed, and they wouldn't lift a finger. I also have my doubts that most women I know would have my back if it came to physical confrontation. The difference is that I don't blame them or anyone for reacting this way because I recognise reacting in the moment is not easy and there are far more important metrics to whether someone is a good person, let alone a feminist (although I do think everyone and especially women should be encouraged to be in touch with their physicality for when the need arises).

(Dec 15 2025, 5:33 PM)ShameMustChangeSides

(Dec 14 2025, 10:05 PM)YesYourNigel

Quote:males exist to diversify the gene pool and protect us from predators

The sexes have evolved way way before any sort of notion of "protection" even came into play. Plenty of species have males that barely interact with females, and those that do tend to use their strength to control, rape and isolate females. Males want to control female reproductive function, not arbitrarily "protect" them because they evolved to be knights in shining armours. Males have historically abused, starved, raped and isolated girls and women to the point that female bones tend to have signs of this abuse, and men didn't give a shit as long as women (and girls) kept popping out babies for them. Don't get your ideas on evolution from romance novels plz

Quote:what predators do we need male protection from at this point? Ah yes, other men! Moids who cannot even do that don't deserve female companionship.

Just...no. I would hope that no woman would date a man just because he knows how to protect his "property" or that she'd find that romantic in any way. This is some conservative gender-role-worshipping horseshit. Sure, the guy might beat you or think you're subhuman, but at least he'll be your knight in shining armour when you get attacked, just like in your romance novels 🥰

People don't act like action movie stars, especially if they are unused to conflict, let alone physical conflict, doubly so in the modern world (for better of for worse). I would not blame anyone for freezing or feeling scared. These videos are posted to mock men for not being "real men" by the same crowds who then watch "crazy Karen meltdown" videos. The same men who fancy themselves "protectors" will spend most of their time making excuses for rapists and domestic abusers.

The man who freezes might be someone who's anxious and has never physically fought with anyone in his life because he doesn't like violence or he could be some gamer loser who's willfully isolated himself from any real life difficulties. The man who fights back might be someone who happened to have had to physically subdue unruly men, or he might be an aggressive maniac who's used to blowing up and fighting with other men (in my experience the latter is much more common). Bottom line is that a man's tendency to get violent says absolutely nothing about how good of a partner he is and especially whether he respects women or not.

Also, the person who came to this woman's rescue was, guess what, a man. So it's bizarre to use this example to prove men aren't even good for protecting women when there are countless examples of them doing that because, surprise surprise, men are socialised to feel like badasses when fighting. It says absolutely nothing about how much they value women or their romantic partners. Men do shallow shit all the time that gets sold to women as "protection" and "romance" and women are suckers who buy into it even though men couldn't give a damn about them.

If "cowardice" and "protection" is what we're evaluating people by, then other women suck at that. I have constantly had women stand on the side and not even help when there was no danger, just physical help that was needed, and they wouldn't lift a finger. I also have my doubts that most women I know would have my back if it came to physical confrontation. The difference is that I don't blame them or anyone for reacting this way because I recognise reacting in the moment is not easy and there are far more important metrics to whether someone is a good person, let alone a feminist (although I do think everyone and especially women should be encouraged to be in touch with their physicality for when the need arises).

Why are you going so hard for men rn? They would neverrrrr go this hard for you or any of us. 

You start by saying that men didn't evolve to protect, they evolved to be violent towards women, and then switch to saying that actually men are protective, and then switch to demeaning women as a class for not being MORE protective? 

WTAF is this? What is your goal here?

1. The woman's male partner indeed cowered away and hid.
   
2. One male bystander comes by and tries to gently (?) get the attacker away from the woman. He eventually gives up and keeps walking.
   
3. Another male bystander runs in and more aggressively tries to subdue the attacker by hitting him with his motorcycle helmet.
   
4. It looks like three additional men ran in to assist with subduing the attacker.
   
5. It looks like a woman then runs in, followed shortly by another man and another woman. At this point the attacker was mostly subdued by the other men who started fighting him to stop his armed mugging of the woman.
   

(Dec 19 2025, 11:46 PM)Clover Polly's initial point does stand though: women are frequently told we need "protection" by having male partners, with the unspoken part they fail to admit is that we need protection from men. The video basically shatters the claim that "women need a man to protect them [against other men]", since it shows the woman's partner did not protect her and she had to depend on bystanders. However in a typical NYP tabloid fashion, it focuses on her weak boyfriend being the problem — aka, she just needs a stronger man, as if that would somehow fix the societal problem of violent men roaming the streets attacking people... The conclusion of the NYP is basically "men need to be stronk PrOtEcToRs of their women and children." No, men need to stop creating a world where men are allowed to be violent and abusive and therefore create an artificial need for women to need men to be "protectors." It's a patriarchal racket.

(Yesterday, 12:07 AM)Impress Polly Somehow this point has been creatively twisted into me supposedly championing chivalry because the video was from the New York Post.

(Dec 15 2025, 5:33 PM)ShameMustChangeSides

(Dec 14 2025, 10:05 PM)YesYourNigel

Quote:males exist to diversify the gene pool and protect us from predators

The sexes have evolved way way before any sort of notion of "protection" even came into play. Plenty of species have males that barely interact with females, and those that do tend to use their strength to control, rape and isolate females. Males want to control female reproductive function, not arbitrarily "protect" them because they evolved to be knights in shining armours. Males have historically abused, starved, raped and isolated girls and women to the point that female bones tend to have signs of this abuse, and men didn't give a shit as long as women (and girls) kept popping out babies for them. Don't get your ideas on evolution from romance novels plz

Quote:what predators do we need male protection from at this point? Ah yes, other men! Moids who cannot even do that don't deserve female companionship.

Just...no. I would hope that no woman would date a man just because he knows how to protect his "property" or that she'd find that romantic in any way. This is some conservative gender-role-worshipping horseshit. Sure, the guy might beat you or think you're subhuman, but at least he'll be your knight in shining armour when you get attacked, just like in your romance novels 🥰

People don't act like action movie stars, especially if they are unused to conflict, let alone physical conflict, doubly so in the modern world (for better of for worse). I would not blame anyone for freezing or feeling scared. These videos are posted to mock men for not being "real men" by the same crowds who then watch "crazy Karen meltdown" videos. The same men who fancy themselves "protectors" will spend most of their time making excuses for rapists and domestic abusers.

The man who freezes might be someone who's anxious and has never physically fought with anyone in his life because he doesn't like violence or he could be some gamer loser who's willfully isolated himself from any real life difficulties. The man who fights back might be someone who happened to have had to physically subdue unruly men, or he might be an aggressive maniac who's used to blowing up and fighting with other men (in my experience the latter is much more common). Bottom line is that a man's tendency to get violent says absolutely nothing about how good of a partner he is and especially whether he respects women or not.

Also, the person who came to this woman's rescue was, guess what, a man. So it's bizarre to use this example to prove men aren't even good for protecting women when there are countless examples of them doing that because, surprise surprise, men are socialised to feel like badasses when fighting. It says absolutely nothing about how much they value women or their romantic partners. Men do shallow shit all the time that gets sold to women as "protection" and "romance" and women are suckers who buy into it even though men couldn't give a damn about them.

If "cowardice" and "protection" is what we're evaluating people by, then other women suck at that. I have constantly had women stand on the side and not even help when there was no danger, just physical help that was needed, and they wouldn't lift a finger. I also have my doubts that most women I know would have my back if it came to physical confrontation. The difference is that I don't blame them or anyone for reacting this way because I recognise reacting in the moment is not easy and there are far more important metrics to whether someone is a good person, let alone a feminist (although I do think everyone and especially women should be encouraged to be in touch with their physicality for when the need arises).

Why are you going so hard for men rn? They would neverrrrr go this hard for you or any of us. 

Quote:You start by saying that men didn't evolve to protect, they evolved to be violent towards women, and then switch to saying that actually men are protective

Quote:and then switch to demeaning women as a class for not being MORE protective?

Quote:WTAF is this? What is your goal here? 

1. To push back on a conservative gender-role-infested wet dream being sold to women as feminism, as well as conservative gender roles in general. The problem with men is not that they are "weak" or scared or unmanly, the problem is that they do not treat women as human beings.
   
2. To push back on conservative women's reimagining of misogynistic evopsych ideas for the purposes of validating said conservative gender-role-infested wetdream. I really don't give a damn if women evolved to swoon over a prince on a white horse who might hit them but at least he defeated a dragon to "save" them (cough getsex cough), I give a damn that this arrangement is bad for women.
   
3. This is the least important, but I just cringe at the the general ignorance in how evolution actually works.
   

(Dec 19 2025, 8:52 PM)Impress Polly

(Dec 15 2025, 5:33 PM)ShameMustChangeSides

(Dec 14 2025, 10:05 PM)YesYourNigel

Quote:males exist to diversify the gene pool and protect us from predators

The sexes have evolved way way before any sort of notion of "protection" even came into play. Plenty of species have males that barely interact with females, and those that do tend to use their strength to control, rape and isolate females. Males want to control female reproductive function, not arbitrarily "protect" them because they evolved to be knights in shining armours. Males have historically abused, starved, raped and isolated girls and women to the point that female bones tend to have signs of this abuse, and men didn't give a shit as long as women (and girls) kept popping out babies for them. Don't get your ideas on evolution from romance novels plz

Quote:what predators do we need male protection from at this point? Ah yes, other men! Moids who cannot even do that don't deserve female companionship.

Just...no. I would hope that no woman would date a man just because he knows how to protect his "property" or that she'd find that romantic in any way. This is some conservative gender-role-worshipping horseshit. Sure, the guy might beat you or think you're subhuman, but at least he'll be your knight in shining armour when you get attacked, just like in your romance novels 🥰

People don't act like action movie stars, especially if they are unused to conflict, let alone physical conflict, doubly so in the modern world (for better of for worse). I would not blame anyone for freezing or feeling scared. These videos are posted to mock men for not being "real men" by the same crowds who then watch "crazy Karen meltdown" videos. The same men who fancy themselves "protectors" will spend most of their time making excuses for rapists and domestic abusers.

The man who freezes might be someone who's anxious and has never physically fought with anyone in his life because he doesn't like violence or he could be some gamer loser who's willfully isolated himself from any real life difficulties. The man who fights back might be someone who happened to have had to physically subdue unruly men, or he might be an aggressive maniac who's used to blowing up and fighting with other men (in my experience the latter is much more common). Bottom line is that a man's tendency to get violent says absolutely nothing about how good of a partner he is and especially whether he respects women or not.

Also, the person who came to this woman's rescue was, guess what, a man. So it's bizarre to use this example to prove men aren't even good for protecting women when there are countless examples of them doing that because, surprise surprise, men are socialised to feel like badasses when fighting. It says absolutely nothing about how much they value women or their romantic partners. Men do shallow shit all the time that gets sold to women as "protection" and "romance" and women are suckers who buy into it even though men couldn't give a damn about them.

If "cowardice" and "protection" is what we're evaluating people by, then other women suck at that. I have constantly had women stand on the side and not even help when there was no danger, just physical help that was needed, and they wouldn't lift a finger. I also have my doubts that most women I know would have my back if it came to physical confrontation. The difference is that I don't blame them or anyone for reacting this way because I recognise reacting in the moment is not easy and there are far more important metrics to whether someone is a good person, let alone a feminist (although I do think everyone and especially women should be encouraged to be in touch with their physicality for when the need arises).

Why are you going so hard for men rn? They would neverrrrr go this hard for you or any of us. 

You start by saying that men didn't evolve to protect, they evolved to be violent towards women, and then switch to saying that actually men are protective, and then switch to demeaning women as a class for not being MORE protective? 

WTAF is this? What is your goal here?

It's about being contrarian for attention.   Can't say I'm unfamiliar with that sorta behavior. Takes one to know one, I guess, but still, at least I've got a bit of self-awareness and self-policing about it.

Quote:Basically though, just notice that she pretty much never offers supportive words, or even reactions, toward anyone, but looooooots of long-winded critiques of others without sources

Quote:She'll just say anything to contradict me (or really anyone, but especially me for some reason; I'm apparently seen as like a rival or something instead of fundamentally an ally).

Quote:The bullshit implications that I'm not only heterosexual but furthermore a political conservative who derives my perspective on the sexes from "romance novels" are so asinine

Quote:She didn't even get the content of the video itself correct in her rebuke (there were several people who came to the woman's aid, not all of whom were men; watch it again), but she wasn't trying, she was pwning.

Quote:The whole post was just a long-winded justification of the dude abandoning the woman he more for the ones who help in a situation like that.

Quote:After all, the most important thing in a potentially life-and-death situation like this involving male violence against a woman is that men learn to break with traditional gender roles and not be chivalrous, no?

Quote:Thaaaaaat's what women's liberation is about, right? It's about liberating men from responsibility, no? Only a Christian conservative anti-feminist would have expectations of moids, right?